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[liberationtech] White House Petition - Deny Visas to Censors

Jacob Appelbaum jacob at appelbaum.net
Sat Feb 9 14:59:36 PST 2013


Jillian C. York:
> Yes, Pranesh.  But that would require our administration to actually
> acknowledge its existence and stop protecting AT&T and the NSA.
> 

That was my first thought - we should consider how we might equally
apply this standard. I suspect we'd just all sit back and laugh as
rather than punishing these people, we gave them immunity and then
extended their criminal activity into normal state business.

All the best,
Jake

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> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 4:14 AM, Pranesh Prakash <pranesh at cis-india.org>wrote:
> 
>> Tye, John N [2013-01-29 21:48]:
>>> A petition on whitehouse.gov calls for the U.S. to deny visas to
>>> anyone working to advance internet censorship, e.g. the builders of
>>> the Great Firewall.
>>
>> I don't quite get the point of this.  Should other countries prevent
>> those responsible for the building of Room 614A[1] from being granted
>> visas?  Should employees of Narus and Verint and Pen-Link be prevented
>> from travelling at all?
>>
>> While I am all for arguing that the issue of moral complicity cannot be
>> ignored ("it *is* my department"), I am not quite clear why visa-denial
>> is a useful response.
>>
>>  [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A
>>
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>> Centre for Internet and Society
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