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[liberationtech] White House Petition - Deny Visas to Censors

Trevor Timm trevor at
Sat Feb 9 15:07:23 PST 2013

Also, I can't really think of a worse way people can advocate for free
expression than banning people from this country with views that are
different than theirs - no how repugnant those views are.

On 2/9/13 2:59 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
> Jillian C. York:
>> Yes, Pranesh.  But that would require our administration to actually
>> acknowledge its existence and stop protecting AT&T and the NSA.
> That was my first thought - we should consider how we might equally
> apply this standard. I suspect we'd just all sit back and laugh as
> rather than punishing these people, we gave them immunity and then
> extended their criminal activity into normal state business.
> All the best,
> Jake
>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 4:14 AM, Pranesh Prakash <pranesh at>wrote:
>>> Tye, John N [2013-01-29 21:48]:
>>>> A petition on calls for the U.S. to deny visas to
>>>> anyone working to advance internet censorship, e.g. the builders of
>>>> the Great Firewall.
>>> I don't quite get the point of this.  Should other countries prevent
>>> those responsible for the building of Room 614A[1] from being granted
>>> visas?  Should employees of Narus and Verint and Pen-Link be prevented
>>> from travelling at all?
>>> While I am all for arguing that the issue of moral complicity cannot be
>>> ignored ("it *is* my department"), I am not quite clear why visa-denial
>>> is a useful response.
>>>  [1]:
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>>> Centre for Internet and Society
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Trevor Timm
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