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[liberationtech] Cryptography super-group creates unbreakable encryption

Nadim Kobeissi nadim at
Thu Feb 14 07:16:59 PST 2013

I'm not accusing Silent Circle of anything. I'm sorry it seemed that way.
Can we please stop making this discussion about me? The insane trolling is
more than enough.

Please check out the new pad and please keep the URL private:


On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Ali-Reza Anghaie <ali at>wrote:

> Nadim,
> While I ~entirely~ agree this sucks and you're been mercilessly and
> tastelessly trolled - if you're inferring there was any relation to the SC
> code being swapped out - that's an irrelevant and unnecessary stretch.
> Lets look at it from the other side w/ the same irrelevant
> and unnecessary stretching..
> Early in the pad you admitted to jumping the gun and people were already
> calling you out. You even, if you recall, said there may be a point to
> criticizing you for all the LOLing comments and such. You were - for all
> intents and purposes - an ass early on. You did admit that in a lengthy
> back-and-forth with one of the anonymous parties before the whole
> conversation and your LOLing were deleted. I think deleted by you with
> humility and the intention of drawing attention back to the task at hand -
> or one could speculate you just don't want any evidence you were a jerk
> (and that would be unfair I think you'd agree). Whoever (or how many ever)
> are/were trolling you were bringing up Slashdot, the CSIS incident,
> Cryptocat, etc. etc. and seems to have it out for you. I'm not convinced
> that's at all related to SC itself - just mostly pissing on you for
> behavior.
> I only write that narrative out because you repeatedly exclude yourself
> from ~any~ criticism when it comes to "reporting back" to the list. This
> too, like the mysterious trolling, can lead to conspiracy chains of
> thoughts. And I'm certain you don't appreciate that unfounded inference
> than any other party does. So don't further promote that cycle.
> Regarding the SC code swap itself - as I pointed out (but has also been
> lost in the noise) there were two different github profiles to the same
> person and it appeared that all that really happened (besides a codebase
> update) was that the acct he was using for non-SC stuff was used to
> initially upload silent-phone-base and that whole account's worth of stuff
> was pulled and re-uploaded under the account that originally setup all the
> SC stuff. Occam's Razor applies here.
> -Ali
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim at> wrote:
>> The collaborative platform which we've been using to inspect Silent
>> Circle's code (and where we were making good progress) has been
>> continuously vandalized for the past seven hours straight. Yes, that's
>> someone who's been on that pad for literally seven hours trying to prevent
>> collaboration. They've specifically been flooding the pad with insults
>> directed at me, and nothing else. This happened shortly after Silent Circle
>> code was taken offline for around 20 minutes.
>> This really makes me wonder who would have the tenacity to attempt to
>> stop collaborative auditing of Silent Circle for seven straight hours, and
>> would coincidentally happen to have some apparently very real hatred
>> towards me.
>> NK
>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe at> wrote:
>>> On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:35, Petter Ericson <pettter at> wrote:
>>> > And various license headers (BSD-style afaict - not a license expert)
>>> I'm no licensing expert but do think about them a lot... it looks like a
>>> non-commercial-uses version of a BSD-style license. That's much better than
>>> what I've seen before with code released for "review and testing only"-like
>>> licenses. best, Joe
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