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[liberationtech] "Chinas Internet?"

Martin Johnson greatfire at greatfire.org
Wed Feb 20 23:40:43 PST 2013


Good point xz

Martin Johnson
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On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 1:12 PM, x z <xhzhang at gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree with most of Martin's statements. China's internet is practically
> separated from the world's internet already. On this front, the Chinese
> authority has won the battle.
>
> 2013/2/20 Martin Johnson <greatfire at greatfire.org>
>
>> The majority of Internet users in Mainland China spend 100% of their
>> online time on Chinese websites. Google+, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter,
>> Blogspot and many more (see https://en.greatfire.org) are completely
>> blocked in Mainland China. Most other foreign websites are both
>> considerably slower than domestic ones, and subject to keyword-based
>> blocking of certain URLs.
>>
>> The majority of Internet users outside Mainland China spend 0% of their
>> online time on Chinese websites.
>>
>
> I'd add that a significant percentage of overseas Chinese people do spend
> meaningful time on Chinese websites actually. Many of them use Weibo for
> social networking, Baidu for search, and Sina/Sohu for news.
>
> This is not just a language issue - there are a lot of Chinese-speaking
>> people outside of Mainland China, and several Chinese websites have
>> English-language interfaces. It's also because they are slow. The Great
>> Firewall slows down traffic in both directions. Concern with censorship may
>> also discourage some users, as seen recently regarding WeChat.
>>
>> In this sense, there is a Chinese Internet or a Chinanet, as opposed to
>> the rest of the Internet. They are not completely cut off from each other,
>> but in practice there is little communication between the two.
>> Unfortunately.
>>
>> Martin Johnson
>> Founder of GreatFire.org | FreeWeibo.com | Unblock.cn.com
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>>
>> On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim at nadim.cc> wrote:
>>
>>> Most likely it's bad writing. What they likely meant by "China's
>>> Internet" is China's social network sphere, such as Sina Weibo communities
>>> and so on...
>>>
>>>
>>> NK
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Brian Conley <brianc at smallworldnews.tv
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Photos of the dead sailors, their bodies gagged and blindfolded and
>>>> some with head wounds suggesting execution-style killings, circulated on
>>>> China’s Internet.
>>>>
>>>> From:
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/21/world/asia/chinese-plan-to-use-drone-highlights-military-advances.html?_r=0
>>>>
>>>> I know about the GFW of course, but anyone know the exact meaning of
>>>> nytimes referencing "China's Internet" as opposed to "was circulated in the
>>>> Internet by Chinese citizens?"
>>>>
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