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[liberationtech] Interesting legal question about copyright happening right now

James S. Tyre jstyre at
Sat Feb 23 22:37:36 PST 2013

Youtube has restored it already.



James S. Tyre

Law Offices of James S. Tyre

10736 Jefferson Blvd., #512

Culver City, CA 90230-4969


jstyre at

Policy Fellow, Electronic Frontier Foundation


From: liberationtech-bounces at
[mailto:liberationtech-bounces at] On Behalf Of Yosem Companys
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:28 PM
To: Liberation Technologies
Cc: Dean Collins
Subject: [liberationtech] Interesting legal question about copyright happening right now


From: Dean Collins <dean at>

Interesting legal question about copyright happening right now, as you probably know by
now there was an incident in the last lap of todays Nationwide Daytona race where several
cars crashed and parts went over and through the fence.

Whats interesting is that a fan posted a video he took from his seat in the stands of 2
minutes after the accident.


YouTube pulled the video on behalf of Nascar as they are claiming copyright
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Makes for interesting argument 

-       Is Nascar within its rights as it IS private property.

-       Is the fan within his rights as he posted less than 1% of the event (eg he shot
the accident scene 5 seats over where a tire landed on someone)

Either way what has happened...and this is so true about the internet once something is
uploaded it can never be deleted...the video is now being displayed on 20 different
websites some which have refused to remove it in addition to it being uploaded to youtube
under many different accounts with no mention of Nascar so cannot be located through
simple keyword search.


Any legal eagles on the list want to have a crack with your thoughts? 


.and in case you are wondering..yes of course we had a live fan chat for todays race -




Dean Collins
Founder - Live Fan Chat

Dean at

+1-212-203-4357 <tel:%2B1-212-203-4357>   


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