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[liberationtech] Interesting legal question about copyright happening right now

Dean Collins Dean at
Sun Feb 24 05:15:51 PST 2013

Hi James,

Correct, but I don't think that's the issue here. Should YouTube have
pulled it in the first place? Does the current system work? Do you have
rights even though the fine print on the back of your ticket in 2 pt
type says no recording etc.





From: James S. Tyre [mailto:jstyre at] 
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 1:38 AM
To: 'liberationtech'
Cc: Dean Collins
Subject: RE: [liberationtech] Interesting legal question about copyright
happening right now


Youtube has restored it already.



James S. Tyre

Law Offices of James S. Tyre

10736 Jefferson Blvd., #512

Culver City, CA 90230-4969


jstyre at

Policy Fellow, Electronic Frontier Foundation


From: liberationtech-bounces at
[mailto:liberationtech-bounces at] On Behalf Of Yosem
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:28 PM
To: Liberation Technologies
Cc: Dean Collins
Subject: [liberationtech] Interesting legal question about copyright
happening right now


From: Dean Collins <dean at>

Interesting legal question about copyright happening right now, as you
probably know by now there was an incident in the last lap of todays
Nationwide Daytona race where several cars crashed and parts went over
and through the fence.

Whats interesting is that a fan posted a video he took from his seat in
the stands of 2 minutes after the accident.


YouTube pulled the video on behalf of Nascar as they are claiming


Makes for interesting argument 

-       Is Nascar within its rights as it IS private property.

-       Is the fan within his rights as he posted less than 1% of the
event (eg he shot the accident scene 5 seats over where a tire landed on

Either way what has happened.....and this is so true about the internet
once something is uploaded it can never be deleted.....the video is now
being displayed on 20 different websites some which have refused to
remove it in addition to it being uploaded to youtube under many
different accounts with no mention of Nascar so cannot be located
through simple keyword search.


Any legal eagles on the list want to have a crack with your thoughts? 


...and in case you are wondering....yes of course we had a live fan chat
for todays race -




Dean Collins
Founder - Live Fan Chat

Dean at

+1-212-203-4357 <tel:%2B1-212-203-4357>   


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