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[liberationtech] Designing the best network infrastructure for a.Human Rights NGO

anonymous2013 at anonymous2013 at
Thu Feb 28 05:43:38 PST 2013

Frankly your whats wrong with a small minority of the people on 
LibTech. NGO's have to balance cost, security, people, user needs, 
current infrastructure, software/hardware donation programs, man 
hours etc etc...Every idiot knows Linux is more secure in many ways 
than Windows yet sometimes other factors come into play that 
require the use of MS. 

This topic is a genuine topic that has not been looked at to my 
knowledge by the movement - we have tons of material on VOIP 
safety, encryption, device management etc but not much on actually 
network design...I hope your glad that your smart-ass comments have 
dragged it sideways within the first two posts, to the detriment of 
the group.

I have no interest in being trolled. Is there anyone on the list 
that wants to talk through this and give me some direct advice on 
how to implement a safe NGO operational network?

On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:35:26 +0000 "Bill Woodcock" <woody at> 
>Sorry, thought you'd asked for advice about the "best possible" 
>way to do it. Didn't realize you meant "best possible with no time 
>or attention."  But, wait, that's not quite it either, is it?  You 
>meant that you don't want to invest _your_ time and attention, but 
>you think people on the list can solve that for you by 
>contributing _our_ time and attention?  I'm not sure it works that 
>way, but perhaps someone who's feeling more charitable than I am 
>right now can suggest the "best possible" solution that requires 
>none of your time and attention and runs on Windows. 
>Since I'm now 34 hours into an Ottawa-bound itinerary for the CIF, 
>a tip of the hat to Canada: "As secure as possible, under the 
>                -Bill
>On Feb 28, 2013, at 8:22, "anonymous2013 at" 
><anonymous2013 at> wrote:
>> Can we please get back to the issue at hand....
>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:16:03 +0000 "Bill Woodcock" 
><woody at> 
>> wrote:
>>> Ah, yes, those expensive man-hours.  Security is so much easier 
>>> when you don't give it time and attention.  It also doesn't 
>>>               -Bill
>>> On Feb 28, 2013, at 8:09, "anonymous2013 at" 
>>> <anonymous2013 at> wrote:
>>>> I knew this was coming at some point. Yes I am starting with 
>>>> Windows, it's more functional (awaits incoming) and costs less
>>> in 
>>>> terms of expensive man hours (the hidden cost vs software) for
>>> an 
>>>> Linux guru to run and monitor the network.
>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:03:00 +0000 "Bill Woodcock"
>>> <woody at> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> You want to do this securely, and you're _starting_ with
>>> Windows?
>>>>>              -Bill
>>>>> On Feb 28, 2013, at 7:40, "anonymous2013 at" 
>>>>> <anonymous2013 at> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi, 
>>>>>> We are a human rights NGO that is looking to invest in the
>>> best 
>>>>>> possible level of network security (protection from high-
>>>>>> cyber-security threats, changing circumvention/proxy to
>>> protect
>>>>> IP 
>>>>>> address etc, encryption on endpoints and server, 
>>>>> and 
>>>>>> Software Firewall/File Integrity Monitoring, Mobile Device 
>>>>>> Management, Honeypots) we can get for a our internal 
>>> I
>>>>> was 
>>>>>> wondering if people would critique the following network, 
>>>>>> comments, suggestions and alternative methods/pieces of
>>>>> software. 
>>>>>> (Perhaps if it goes well we could make a short paper out of
>>> it,
>>>>> for 
>>>>>> others to use.)
>>>>>> -Windows 2012 Server
>>>>>> -VMWare virtual machines running Win 8 for remote access
>>>>>> -Industry standard hardening and lock down of all OS 
>>>>>> -Constantly changing proxies
>>>>>> -PGP email with BES
>>>>>> -Cryptocard tokens
>>>>>> -Sophos Enterprise Protection, Encryption and Patch 
>>>>>> -Sophos mobile management
>>>>>> -Encrypted voice calls for mobile and a more secure
>>> alternative
>>>>> to 
>>>>>> Skype via Silent Circle.
>>>>>> -TrueCrypt on all drives - set to close without use after a 
>>>>>> specific time
>>>>>> -Easily controlled kill commands
>>>>>> -False and poison pill files
>>>>>> -Snort IDS
>>>>>> -Honeypots
>>>>>> -Tripwire
>>>>>> -Cisco Network Appliance
>>>>>> -No wifi
>>>>>> -Strong physical protection in a liberal country as regards
>>>>> human 
>>>>>> rights
>>>>>> I know there are many other factors, good training, constant 
>>>>>> monitoring, avoiding spearfishing, penetration testing, etc
>>> but
>>>>> if 
>>>>>> possible I would please like to keep the conversation on the 
>>>>>> network design and software.
>>>>>> Thanks guys.
>>>>>> -Anon
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