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[liberationtech] French ISP blocks all web based advertisement, by default.

Julien Rabier taziden at flexiden.org
Thu Jan 3 13:09:25 PST 2013


Salut Bernard ;)

According to the last news we got, it wouldn't be an IP blacklist but a
solution based on dnsmasq (running on the CPE aka "Freebox").

We don't have any info on who is on the blacklist, but it's maintained by
Free itself with little doubt.

Oh sorry i wasn't clear ... Free's owner, Xavier Niel, is not directly
related to the ad business but he's one of the main owner of lemonde.fr. Ads
displayed on lemonde.fr are provided by a company which is not on the
blacklist.

The same way, ads are blocked on Youtube but not on the french concurrent
Dailymotion.

The reaction has bit quick from Fleur Pellerin[1], the Junior Minister in charge of the
digital economy (sigh), calling for an opt-in solution and organizing a
meeting on monday :
https://twitter.com/fleurpellerin/status/286921942815092737

Julien

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleur_Pellerin

Le 03 janv. à 20:08, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb a écrit :
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> Salut Julien,
> 
> Thanks for correcting me: the one English article I read (mentioned in my mail) was light on details, and my French is, well non-existent, so I was reliant on Google translate, which I never trust!
> 
> For the point of core infrastructure, the fact that the user can turn it off (as opposed to on!) from the CPE makes sense then. But also quite a "sloppy" solution.
> 
> Regarding the ad IP blacklist: is there any information on it? Who creates it/manages it? Is there any way to get on/off this list? Presumably Google ad IPs are on there.
> 
> I did not know about the connection with the Free owners and the ad-business.
> 
> I wonder what the purpose is, indeed. Just trolling like you say...it being a sloppy solution would lead me to believe its something like you suggest.
> 
> thanks,
> Bernard
> 
> 
> On 3 Jan 2013, at 18:42, Julien Rabier wrote:
> 
> > Of course, for my first post on this awesome mailing list, I had to do such a
> > silly mistake to invert opt-in and opt-out.
> > 
> > To sum up :
> > Acceptable with opt-out : No.
> > Acceptable with passive opt-in : No.
> > Acceptable with active opt-in : Yes.
> > 
> > By the way, I take a moment to introduce myself :
> > I'm participating in a non-profit and local DIY ISP [1] and we are several
> > organizations in France doing the same thing, some of them grouped in a
> > federation called FFDN [2]. Promoting Net neutrality, citizen's control over
> > the Internet infrastructure and so on.
> > 
> > Julien
> > 
> > [1] http://www.ilico.org/ (only in french)
> > [2] http://www.ffdn.org/en
> > 
> > Le 03 janv. à 19:30, Julien Rabier a écrit :
> >> Hello everybody,
> >> 
> >> Just want to add some precisions :
> >> 
> >> - Not all web based advertisements are blocked. Blocking is done with a
> >>  blacklist of IP addresses.
> >> - It is done on the CPE level, not in the core network of Free.
> >> 
> >> This story is quite shaking the french interwebs and i was like Bernard at
> >> first and the more I think about it, the more my position is confused.
> >> 
> >> My current state of mind is :
> >> - Is it an acceptable net neutrality violation if it's done on an opt-out
> >>  basis ? Yes.
> >> - Is it acceptable in the current, opt-in, case ? No.
> >> 
> >> One funny thing is that the ad-company of lemonde.fr (biggest online
> >> journal in France) owned by X. Niel who also owns Free, is still accessible.
> >> It's not in Free's blacklist.
> >> 
> >> There is a fight between Free and Google about Youtube for some months now.
> >> So, is it a google trolling move ? 
> >> 
> >> At least, it's a good way to show how ad-dependent the commercial web is
> >> currently is.
> >> 
> >> Julien
> >> 
> >> Le 03 janv. à 17:41, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb a écrit :
> >>> Free ISP a French ISP with approx. 5M subs has blocked, by default, all web
> >>> based advertisements being served to their fixed-line Internet subscribers.
> >>> [1, 2]
> >>> 
> >>> As a consumer, I would be very happy about it. As a "Internet neutrality"
> >>> (whatever you want to call it) supporter I disagree with what they are
> >>> doing.
> >>> 
> >>> If they want to offer this as a service, then it should be opt-in, as
> >>> opposed to opt-out (subscribers can turn it off via their Internet router).
> >>> 
> >>> While it's not life-threatening Internet censorship, in my opinion it is
> >>> still censorship. From a network infrastructure POV, it would be a
> >>> reasonably large job to carry this out successfully, without issues, but
> >>> nothing a modern ISP with a budget could not build.
> >>> 
> >>> On the Twitters there are various reasons being discussed (the ISP is
> >>> blocking companies, who are not paying them anything, from making money).
> >>> 
> >>> Will we see some websites blocking access for Free ISP subs? Will they
> >>> offer a second-class service?
> >>> 
> >>> An interesting, but slightly disturbing development.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> [1]
> >>> http://www.rudebaguette.com/2013/01/03/new-update-to-freebox-censors-internet-ads-by-default-for-5-5m-users/
> >>> 
> >>> [2] (Google translated)
> >>> http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.numerama.com%2Fmagazine%2F24665-blocage-des-pubs-free-pete-un-cable.html&act=url
> >>> 
> >>> regards, Bernard
> > 
> > 
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