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[liberationtech] Google Bows Down To Chinese Government On Censorship

Julian Oliver julian at julianoliver.com
Thu Jan 10 04:38:22 PST 2013


..on Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 08:37:31PM +0800, Martin Johnson wrote:
> Good link Julian. The article makes some very good points. Others are
> misleading though. For one, most porn sites are not blocked, and I don't
> think that's a reason for circumventing the GFW (that and more in
> https://en.greatfire.org/blog/2012/dec/8-absurd-quotes-censorship-china).
> Also, I've never seen messages like "Sorry, the host you were looking for
> does not exist, has been deleted, or is being investigated." The error
> messages you get when you try to access blocked websites are standard
> errors set by the browser - "The connection has timed out", "The connection
> was reset" etc.
> 
> I also think the estimates of how many people circumvent the GFW are often
> exaggerated. Facebook itself doesn't claim to have more than a million
> users in China. That is, they reach less than 0.2% of the Internet
> population.

Thanks for the clarifications Martin. Again, it's good to read people 'on the
ground'!

Cheers,

Julian

> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Julian Oliver <julian at julianoliver.com>wrote:
> 
> > ..on Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 02:01:10PM +0200, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Martin Johnson <greatfire at greatfire.org>
> > wrote:
> > > > Yes, the question is what you call "working well". The
> > censorship-warning
> > > > feature added last year was clearly improving the user experience.
> > Removing
> > > > it worsened the user experience again.
> > >
> > > Is this backed up by actual user experiences from China?
> > >
> > > “When Wired.co.uk spoke to a few Chinese residents about the disabled
> > > Google feature, they were not even aware of it because they used VPNs,
> > > demonstrating Google might not be taking into account just how savvy
> > > its users are at all.” [1]
> >
> > I found the article 'Five Myths about the Chinese Internet' a very useful
> > read,
> > especially as regards savvy-factor of users. We in the West love to
> > generalise
> > 'the situation' in China but often have little or no idea as to the scale,
> > scope
> > or dynamics at play. Another reason I find it particularly valuable to be
> > reading people on this list that are operating there.
> >
> > The article was walled off at ForeignPolicy.com (ironically) but is
> > available
> > here in its entirety:
> >
> >     Five Myths about the Chinese Internet:
> >
> >
> > http://strategicstudyindia.blogspot.de/2012/11/five-myths-about-chinese-internet.html
> >
> >     "Chinese Internet users are cosmopolitan, educated, and informed. Many
> > use,
> >     or at least know they can use, circumvention technology like VPNs
> > (Virtual
> >     Private Networks) to access blocked content."
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > --
> > Julian Oliver
> > http://julianoliver.com
> > http://criticalengineering.org
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