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[liberationtech] Skype Open Letter: CALL FOR SIGNATORIES

Martin Johnson greatfire at greatfire.org
Fri Jan 18 19:18:47 PST 2013


GreatFire.org would like to sign. Thanks very much for doing this.

Martin Johnson
Founder
https://GreatFire.org - Monitoring Online Censorship In China.
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On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim at nadim.cc> wrote:

> Amazing :)
>
> Thanks for your support, everyone!
>
>
> NK
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Petter Ericson <pettter at acc.umu.se>wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Good work :)
>>
>> First: some nitpicking: third-parties in the second paragraph should
>> probably lose the hyphen.
>>
>> Second: I would be very happy to see a Telecomix signature on this
>> letter :)
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> /P
>>
>> On 18 January, 2013 - Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
>>
>> > Okay everyone,
>> > the *final draft* has been posted online, with the gracious
>> collaboration
>> > of the EFF. Please take a look at it, make sure you want to keep your
>> > signature there (or add it!)
>> >
>> > http://www.skypeopenletter.com/draft/
>> >
>> > We'll be publishing next week.
>> >
>> >
>> > NK
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 4:29 AM, Grégoire Pouget <gregoire at rsf.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > >  We'd like to see the final / rewritten version of the letter first
>> but Reporters
>> > > Without Borders <http://rsf.org> would be happy to sign it.
>> > >
>> > > Best,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Le 17/01/2013 08:01, Nadim Kobeissi a écrit :
>> > >
>> > > Thanks for your expert advice, Chris. We're currently in the process
>> of
>> > > reworking the letter with assistance from the EFF and we'll take what
>> you
>> > > said into consideration.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > NK
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:58 AM, Christopher Soghoian <
>> chris at soghoian.net>wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> You may want to consider rewriting your law enforcement/government
>> > >> surveillance section:
>> > >>
>> > >> As a result of the service being acquired by Microsoft in 2011, it
>> may
>> > >> now be required to comply with CALEA due to the company being
>> headquartered
>> > >> in Redmond, Washington. Furthermore, as a US-based communication
>> provider,
>> > >> Skype would therefore be required to comply with the secretive
>> practice of
>> > >> National Security Letters.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>  You don't articulate why being subject to CALEA is bad. Are the
>> people
>> > >> signing the letter arguing that law enforcement should never have
>> access to
>> > >> real-time intercepts of skype voice/video communications? If so, say
>> that,
>> > >> and why. If not, CALEA merely mandates access capabilities, it
>> doesn't
>> > >> specify under what situations the government can perform an
>> interception,
>> > >>
>> > >>  Also, if you want to raise the issue of secretive surveillance
>> > >> practices, NSLs wouldn't be at the top of my list (yes, they don't
>> require
>> > >> a judge, but they can at best be used to obtain communications
>> metadata). I
>> > >> would instead focus your criticism of the fact that US surveillance
>> law
>> > >> does not sufficiently protect communications between two non-US
>> persons,
>> > >> and in particular, the government can intercept such communications
>> without
>> > >> even having to demonstrate probable cause to a judge. Specifically,
>> non-US
>> > >> persons have a real reason to fear FISA Amendments Act of 2008
>> section 702
>> > >>
>> > >>  Section 702 of the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 ("FAA"), codified as
>> 50
>> > >> U.S.C. 1181a, which allows the Attorney General and the Director of
>> > >> National Intelligence ("DNI") to authorize jointly the targeting of
>> > >> non-United States persons for the purposes of gathering intelligence
>> for a
>> > >> period of up to one year. 50 U.S.C. 1881a(1). Section 702 contains
>> > >> restrictions, including the requirement that the surveillance "may
>> not
>> > >> intentionally target any person known at the time of acquisition to
>> be
>> > >> located in the United States." 50 U.S.C. § 1881a(b)(1). The Attorney
>> > >> General and DNI must submit to the FISC an application for an order
>> ("mass
>> > >> acquisition order") for the surveillance either before their joint
>> > >> authorization or within seven days thereof. The FAA sets out a
>> procedure by
>> > >> which the Attorney General and DNI must obtain certification from
>> FISC for
>> > >> their program, which includes an assurance that the surveillance is
>> > >> designed to limit surveillance to persons located outside of the
>> United
>> > >> States. However, the FAA does not require the government to identify
>> > >> targets of surveillance, and the FISC does not consider
>> individualized
>> > >> probable cause determinations or supervise the program.
>> > >> (from: http://epic.org/amicus/fisa/clapper/)
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>  While I am happy to provide feedback, I'm in no way authorized to
>> sign
>> > >> on to this letter on behalf of the ACLU.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>  On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim at nadim.cc>
>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>>  Dear Privacy Advocates and Internet Freedom Activists,
>> > >>>
>> > >>>  I call on you to review the following draft for our Open Letter to
>> > >>> Skype and present your name or the name of your organization as
>> signatories:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>  http://www.skypeopenletter.com/draft/
>> > >>>
>> > >>>  The letter will be released soon. Feedback is also welcome.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>  Thank you,
>> > >>>  NK
>> > >>>
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