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[liberationtech] Skype Open Letter: CALL FOR SIGNATORIES

Nadim Kobeissi nadim at nadim.cc
Fri Jan 18 19:25:12 PST 2013


Added. Thank you!


NK


On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Martin Johnson <greatfire at greatfire.org>wrote:

> GreatFire.org would like to sign. Thanks very much for doing this.
>
> Martin Johnson
> Founder
> https://GreatFire.org - Monitoring Online Censorship In China.
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>
>
> On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim at nadim.cc> wrote:
>
>> Amazing :)
>>
>> Thanks for your support, everyone!
>>
>>
>> NK
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Petter Ericson <pettter at acc.umu.se>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> Good work :)
>>>
>>> First: some nitpicking: third-parties in the second paragraph should
>>> probably lose the hyphen.
>>>
>>> Second: I would be very happy to see a Telecomix signature on this
>>> letter :)
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> /P
>>>
>>> On 18 January, 2013 - Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
>>>
>>> > Okay everyone,
>>> > the *final draft* has been posted online, with the gracious
>>> collaboration
>>> > of the EFF. Please take a look at it, make sure you want to keep your
>>> > signature there (or add it!)
>>> >
>>> > http://www.skypeopenletter.com/draft/
>>> >
>>> > We'll be publishing next week.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > NK
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 4:29 AM, Grégoire Pouget <gregoire at rsf.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >  We'd like to see the final / rewritten version of the letter first
>>> but Reporters
>>> > > Without Borders <http://rsf.org> would be happy to sign it.
>>> > >
>>> > > Best,
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Le 17/01/2013 08:01, Nadim Kobeissi a écrit :
>>> > >
>>> > > Thanks for your expert advice, Chris. We're currently in the process
>>> of
>>> > > reworking the letter with assistance from the EFF and we'll take
>>> what you
>>> > > said into consideration.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > NK
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:58 AM, Christopher Soghoian <
>>> chris at soghoian.net>wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> You may want to consider rewriting your law enforcement/government
>>> > >> surveillance section:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> As a result of the service being acquired by Microsoft in 2011, it
>>> may
>>> > >> now be required to comply with CALEA due to the company being
>>> headquartered
>>> > >> in Redmond, Washington. Furthermore, as a US-based communication
>>> provider,
>>> > >> Skype would therefore be required to comply with the secretive
>>> practice of
>>> > >> National Security Letters.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>  You don't articulate why being subject to CALEA is bad. Are the
>>> people
>>> > >> signing the letter arguing that law enforcement should never have
>>> access to
>>> > >> real-time intercepts of skype voice/video communications? If so,
>>> say that,
>>> > >> and why. If not, CALEA merely mandates access capabilities, it
>>> doesn't
>>> > >> specify under what situations the government can perform an
>>> interception,
>>> > >>
>>> > >>  Also, if you want to raise the issue of secretive surveillance
>>> > >> practices, NSLs wouldn't be at the top of my list (yes, they don't
>>> require
>>> > >> a judge, but they can at best be used to obtain communications
>>> metadata). I
>>> > >> would instead focus your criticism of the fact that US surveillance
>>> law
>>> > >> does not sufficiently protect communications between two non-US
>>> persons,
>>> > >> and in particular, the government can intercept such communications
>>> without
>>> > >> even having to demonstrate probable cause to a judge. Specifically,
>>> non-US
>>> > >> persons have a real reason to fear FISA Amendments Act of 2008
>>> section 702
>>> > >>
>>> > >>  Section 702 of the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 ("FAA"), codified
>>> as 50
>>> > >> U.S.C. 1181a, which allows the Attorney General and the Director of
>>> > >> National Intelligence ("DNI") to authorize jointly the targeting of
>>> > >> non-United States persons for the purposes of gathering
>>> intelligence for a
>>> > >> period of up to one year. 50 U.S.C. 1881a(1). Section 702 contains
>>> > >> restrictions, including the requirement that the surveillance "may
>>> not
>>> > >> intentionally target any person known at the time of acquisition to
>>> be
>>> > >> located in the United States." 50 U.S.C. § 1881a(b)(1). The Attorney
>>> > >> General and DNI must submit to the FISC an application for an order
>>> ("mass
>>> > >> acquisition order") for the surveillance either before their joint
>>> > >> authorization or within seven days thereof. The FAA sets out a
>>> procedure by
>>> > >> which the Attorney General and DNI must obtain certification from
>>> FISC for
>>> > >> their program, which includes an assurance that the surveillance is
>>> > >> designed to limit surveillance to persons located outside of the
>>> United
>>> > >> States. However, the FAA does not require the government to identify
>>> > >> targets of surveillance, and the FISC does not consider
>>> individualized
>>> > >> probable cause determinations or supervise the program.
>>> > >> (from: http://epic.org/amicus/fisa/clapper/)
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>  While I am happy to provide feedback, I'm in no way authorized to
>>> sign
>>> > >> on to this letter on behalf of the ACLU.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>  On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim at nadim.cc>
>>> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>>  Dear Privacy Advocates and Internet Freedom Activists,
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>  I call on you to review the following draft for our Open Letter to
>>> > >>> Skype and present your name or the name of your organization as
>>> signatories:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>  http://www.skypeopenletter.com/draft/
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>  The letter will be released soon. Feedback is also welcome.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>  Thank you,
>>> > >>>  NK
>>> > >>>
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