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[liberationtech] Skype Open Letter: CALL FOR SIGNATORIES

Fran Parker lilbambi at gmail.com
Mon Jan 21 10:16:20 PST 2013


Can you add Fran Parker as an individual please.

Thanks.

Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
> Added. Thank you!
>
>
> NK
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Martin Johnson<greatfire at greatfire.org>wrote:
>
>> GreatFire.org would like to sign. Thanks very much for doing this.
>>
>> Martin Johnson
>> Founder
>> https://GreatFire.org - Monitoring Online Censorship In China.
>> https://FreeWeibo.com - Uncensored, Anonymous Sina Weibo Search.
>> https://Unblock.cn.com - We Can Unblock Your Website In China.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Nadim Kobeissi<nadim at nadim.cc>  wrote:
>>
>>> Amazing :)
>>>
>>> Thanks for your support, everyone!
>>>
>>>
>>> NK
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Petter Ericson<pettter at acc.umu.se>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> Good work :)
>>>>
>>>> First: some nitpicking: third-parties in the second paragraph should
>>>> probably lose the hyphen.
>>>>
>>>> Second: I would be very happy to see a Telecomix signature on this
>>>> letter :)
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>>
>>>> /P
>>>>
>>>> On 18 January, 2013 - Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Okay everyone,
>>>>> the *final draft* has been posted online, with the gracious
>>>> collaboration
>>>>> of the EFF. Please take a look at it, make sure you want to keep your
>>>>> signature there (or add it!)
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.skypeopenletter.com/draft/
>>>>>
>>>>> We'll be publishing next week.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> NK
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 4:29 AM, Grégoire Pouget<gregoire at rsf.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>   We'd like to see the final / rewritten version of the letter first
>>>> but Reporters
>>>>>> Without Borders<http://rsf.org>  would be happy to sign it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 17/01/2013 08:01, Nadim Kobeissi a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your expert advice, Chris. We're currently in the process
>>>> of
>>>>>> reworking the letter with assistance from the EFF and we'll take
>>>> what you
>>>>>> said into consideration.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NK
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:58 AM, Christopher Soghoian<
>>>> chris at soghoian.net>wrote:
>>>>>>> You may want to consider rewriting your law enforcement/government
>>>>>>> surveillance section:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a result of the service being acquired by Microsoft in 2011, it
>>>> may
>>>>>>> now be required to comply with CALEA due to the company being
>>>> headquartered
>>>>>>> in Redmond, Washington. Furthermore, as a US-based communication
>>>> provider,
>>>>>>> Skype would therefore be required to comply with the secretive
>>>> practice of
>>>>>>> National Security Letters.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   You don't articulate why being subject to CALEA is bad. Are the
>>>> people
>>>>>>> signing the letter arguing that law enforcement should never have
>>>> access to
>>>>>>> real-time intercepts of skype voice/video communications? If so,
>>>> say that,
>>>>>>> and why. If not, CALEA merely mandates access capabilities, it
>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>> specify under what situations the government can perform an
>>>> interception,
>>>>>>>   Also, if you want to raise the issue of secretive surveillance
>>>>>>> practices, NSLs wouldn't be at the top of my list (yes, they don't
>>>> require
>>>>>>> a judge, but they can at best be used to obtain communications
>>>> metadata). I
>>>>>>> would instead focus your criticism of the fact that US surveillance
>>>> law
>>>>>>> does not sufficiently protect communications between two non-US
>>>> persons,
>>>>>>> and in particular, the government can intercept such communications
>>>> without
>>>>>>> even having to demonstrate probable cause to a judge. Specifically,
>>>> non-US
>>>>>>> persons have a real reason to fear FISA Amendments Act of 2008
>>>> section 702
>>>>>>>   Section 702 of the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 ("FAA"), codified
>>>> as 50
>>>>>>> U.S.C. 1181a, which allows the Attorney General and the Director of
>>>>>>> National Intelligence ("DNI") to authorize jointly the targeting of
>>>>>>> non-United States persons for the purposes of gathering
>>>> intelligence for a
>>>>>>> period of up to one year. 50 U.S.C. 1881a(1). Section 702 contains
>>>>>>> restrictions, including the requirement that the surveillance "may
>>>> not
>>>>>>> intentionally target any person known at the time of acquisition to
>>>> be
>>>>>>> located in the United States." 50 U.S.C. § 1881a(b)(1). The Attorney
>>>>>>> General and DNI must submit to the FISC an application for an order
>>>> ("mass
>>>>>>> acquisition order") for the surveillance either before their joint
>>>>>>> authorization or within seven days thereof. The FAA sets out a
>>>> procedure by
>>>>>>> which the Attorney General and DNI must obtain certification from
>>>> FISC for
>>>>>>> their program, which includes an assurance that the surveillance is
>>>>>>> designed to limit surveillance to persons located outside of the
>>>> United
>>>>>>> States. However, the FAA does not require the government to identify
>>>>>>> targets of surveillance, and the FISC does not consider
>>>> individualized
>>>>>>> probable cause determinations or supervise the program.
>>>>>>> (from: http://epic.org/amicus/fisa/clapper/)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   While I am happy to provide feedback, I'm in no way authorized to
>>>> sign
>>>>>>> on to this letter on behalf of the ACLU.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Nadim Kobeissi<nadim at nadim.cc>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>   Dear Privacy Advocates and Internet Freedom Activists,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   I call on you to review the following draft for our Open Letter to
>>>>>>>> Skype and present your name or the name of your organization as
>>>> signatories:
>>>>>>>>   http://www.skypeopenletter.com/draft/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   The letter will be released soon. Feedback is also welcome.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Thank you,
>>>>>>>>   NK
>>>>>>>>
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