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[liberationtech] VPN now illegal in China

Eric S Johnson crates at
Wed Jan 23 21:40:37 PST 2013

Bert raises an interesting question-where cybercensorship technology comes


We know Huawei and/or ZTE make routers and switches to compete with Cisco,
and almost by definition, that's the level on which cybercensorship takes
place. But I know of no cases where "the Chinese have exported the Great
Firewall." I've been to almost all of the major cybercensoring countries of
the world, and their systems all seem to differ substantially enough from
the Chinese one (and/or we have some information about how their
cybercensorship works and/or where it came from). Not to mention that
building a cybercensorship system isn't really terribly complicated.

               Does anyone have any evidence that "the Chinese are exporting
the [hardware or software behind the] GFW" (beyond hearsay, supposition,
unfounded allegations, etc.)? (I'm not talking about the reports of planned
re-export of US communications equipment to IR.) 


Cybersurveillance . that's a different ball (or even kettle) of wax. (For
instance, we do have a lot of evidence of the export of Russian
cybersurveillance systems.)








From: liberationtech-bounces at
[mailto:liberationtech-bounces at] On Behalf Of Bert Arroyo
Sent: 24 January 2013 12.00
To: liberationtech at
Subject: [liberationtech] VPN now illegal in China


Most of the discussion ion the Libtech forum, if I may states, forgot one
important thing, China imports its tech to other countries that censor their
citizen by using Chinese censorship software and their infamous Great


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