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[liberationtech] Man-in-the-middle attack on GitHub in China

Nadim Kobeissi nadim at
Wed Jan 30 07:05:59 PST 2013

My question: How come the certificate was invalid? Certainly the Chinese
government knows how to break into a CA and forge valid certificates?


On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 9:58 AM, pacificboy <pacificboy at> wrote:

> You may be correct, and if this is so, and we do not account for chinese
> who lives abroad for many years before coming back to China or those who
> live in Hong Kong which is not subject to the GFW. Then a problem may
> occur, a problem how they see the world on issue that would affect
> globally. I mean if they have the strongest cencorship in the world and do
> not know the truth or the complete issue on issue that may affect us, like
> human rights or poor product export, etc. Then the people would react or
> act like the citizens of 1984, based on what the government shows or tell.
> Then just on that alone should we again break this wall, the same way as
> those who broke down the Berlin wall to all them the same freedom and
> rights?
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 30, 2013, at 7:36 PM, "Eric S Johnson" <crates at>
> wrote:
> >> He didn't know anything about censorship, nor about the great firewall.
> >
> > I would second Martin. I'd estimate that
> >    50% of China's 500M+ netizens don't know about the GFW
> >    half the rest (25%) don't care
> >    half the rest care, but aren't sure what they're missing.
> > The remaining 10%+ care, and know what they're missing, and at least
> > occasionally cybercircumvent.
> >
> > But these are guesses just like Martin's and Bert's. That I know of, the
> > only hard data comes from polls done by the CASS, the most recent of
> which
> > (that I have) are several years old.
> >
> > Best,
> > Eric
> >
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