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[liberationtech] Terry Winograd and Evgeny Morozov

Lucas Gonze lucas.gonze at gmail.com
Tue Jul 2 09:34:14 PDT 2013


I find Morozov's critique of silicon valley intellectual fads
worthwhile. The thinking coming from famous bloggers and tech industry
conferences is for the most part hype for the sake of commerce.
Morozov's writing is to puncture that hype bubble. This is a valuable
goal and he does it well.


On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Soenke Zehle <s.zehle at xmlab.org> wrote:
> maybe EM's style is more like a 'firstism' (make it sound like you're
> the first to make a particular point, obscuring other more or less
> readily available forms of critique)
>
> EM: "Let's get the Nazis out of the way first. There's a considerable
> body of serious scholarship looking at the technological thought of
> the Nazis. They had plenty of engineers and scientists and some had
> rather ambitious theoretical ambitions. (Not to mention that Carl
> Schmidt and Heidegger, whatever their relationship to Nazism, wrote
> about technology)."
>
> Yes Heidegger wrote about technology. But that's one of the places
> where firstism just won't do - to read Heidegger and his philosophy of
> technology in 'solutionist' terms ends up discrediting the
> anti-solutionist project imo. Funny Foucault quote: 'For me, Heidegger
> has always been the essential philosopher. My whole philosophical
> development was determined by my reading of Heidegger.'
>
> Soenke
>
> 2013/7/2 Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes <alps6085 at gmail.com>:
>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 6:26 PM, x z <xhzhang at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Morozov
>>
>> Well, to Morozov's credit, that's why philosophers prefer German,
>> French, Spanish, etcetera, to English! :D
>>
>> Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato,
>>
>> Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes
>> <alps at acm.org>
>> +1 (817) 271-9619
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