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[liberationtech] An interview with Snowden and more in Der Spiegel

Griffin Boyce griffinboyce at
Mon Jul 8 06:29:12 PDT 2013

Grim Meathook Future indeed.

For everyone reading the English text, keep in mind that it is from Google
Translate.  But I couldn't be patient either.

Thanks for helping to bring these stories to light. I sincerely hope that
nothing too terrible happens as a result.

There's that old Orwell quote that goes "In a time of universal deceit,
telling the truth is a revolutionary act."  But for me, I think that in a
time of universal deceit, everyone becomes a whistleblower by necessity.
 Everyone must evaluate their existing beliefs, and see if they hold water.


Sent from a tracking device. Please excuse typocetera.

On Jul 8, 2013 7:36 AM, "Jacob Appelbaum" <jacob at> wrote:

> Hi,
> What we're seeing in Der Spiegel, The Guardian, Washington Post and
> other select publications is the birth of new threat models - not just
> for activists but for all of civil society, parliamentarians, companies
> and more. This is a threat model that "many have known" and yet at the
> same time, there is clearly new stuff. For one - we're seeing
> confirmations of things that have been denied in public - we're also
> learning the names of things, which now made public, may be FOIA'ed by
> name as well as pushing for disclosures. This is where we'll see if
> America will shine - when the information comes out, will we be able to
> use our democratic process to turn this disaster around? I'd like to
> think so - that is why I worked on these pieces - hope is not lost.
> Though hope alone is not a strategy.
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