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[liberationtech] DecryptoCat

Jacob Appelbaum jacob at appelbaum.net
Tue Jul 9 11:33:34 PDT 2013


Jonathan Wilkes:
> On 07/09/2013 10:29 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
>> Patrick Mylund Nielsen:
>>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 09:12:21AM -0400, Patrick Mylund Nielsen wrote:
>>>>> If it's so easy, go ahead and produce a more secure alternative that
>>>> people
>>>>
>>>> You mean something like http://dee.su/ ?
>>>>
>>>> And http://dee.su/cables ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> No, I mean an alternative to Cryptocat (i.e. an OTR client with
>>> multiparty
>>> communication) that is more secure, and as easy to use.
>>>
>> While Cryptocat has OTR - the multi-party communication is not the OTR
>> protocol.
>>
>> Cables is as easy to use as email. Generally it is used with an email
>> client.
> 
> Email for someone that doesn't already have it:
> 1. Turn on _any_ computer.
> 2. Load up _any_ OS.
> 3. Run _any_ browser.
> 4. Go to www.gmail.com.
> 5. Sign up.
> 6. Send a message to bob at wherever.com, whose email address you recall
> from memory.
> 

You are hilariously oversimplifying the problem. How did you find
bob at wherever.com's address exactly? And while many people use email with
a web browser, surely you don't suggest that people don't use heavy
email clients (gmail app, thunderbird, outlook, applemail, claws, etc)?

> What are the steps for sending Bob a message using Cables?
> 
> This isn't rhetorical, I'd actually like to know what the steps are.

Roughly I think this is correct:

0. Download https://www.dee.su/liberte
1. Boot any modern computer with the usb disk inserted
2. launch Claws email client
3) write message to bob's cable address and press send

If you have a supported platform, you can skip 0-2 and replace it with
'install cables' - as one might install a modern browser.

If you're going to say that using Gmail easily happens in any browser on
any OS, I guess I'd tend to disagree.

If we add "securely" into the picture, I guess I'd just laugh and laugh
and laugh. Sadly. It is really a bummer that PRISM exists and that
Google appears to be under the boot of that system. Though accessing
Gmail with Chrome is clearly better than any other choice!

All the best,
Jacob



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