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guido at witmond.nl
Tue Jul 9 16:31:33 PDT 2013
On 10-07-13 00:57, h0ost wrote:
> On 07/09/2013 06:25 PM, Petter Ericson wrote:
>>>> What are the steps for sending Bob a message using Cables?
>>>> This isn't rhetorical, I'd actually like to know what the steps are.
>>> Roughly I think this is correct:
>>> 0. Download https://www.dee.su/liberte
>>> 1. Boot any modern computer with the usb disk inserted
>>> 2. launch Claws email client
>>> 3) write message to bob's cable address and press send
>>> If you have a supported platform, you can skip 0-2 and replace it with
>>> 'install cables' - as one might install a modern browser.
>> I do not think that installing a modern browser entails building it from
>> source for most people.
>>> If you're going to say that using Gmail easily happens in any browser on
>>> any OS, I guess I'd tend to disagree.
>>> If we add "securely" into the picture, I guess I'd just laugh and laugh
>>> and laugh. Sadly. It is really a bummer that PRISM exists and that
>>> Google appears to be under the boot of that system. Though accessing
>>> Gmail with Chrome is clearly better than any other choice!
>> Unfortunately, the question wasn't how to communicate _securely_, but how to
>> communicate _at all_, which is what most people aim to do in the first place.
>> Please do not pretend that <hash>@<hash>.onion is as easy to remember as
>> jose at cervant.es or something similar, or that installing dependencies and
>> building from source is similar to a one-click installer.
> Well, not be cynical, but I think "people" would have to exert a few
> more iotas of energy, and learn how use Tor or software like cables
> starting from now on. Unless their freedom is something not that
> important to them.
> I mean, people all over have learned how to lock their doors, right? It
> is definitely inconvenient for me to lock my damn doors at 8 o'clock in
> the morning, as I am rushing off to work. But I do it, because it has
> been impressed upon me that it is rather important to do so for obvious
I think, it is too much to ask of people to change their ways.
Most of the front doors around here fall into closed mode with a gentle
push. The wedge shape part makes that automatically. Especially in an 8
The reason people lock these doors is fear of theft.
With email, there is no fear, nor theft. And there is nothing to hide...
I believe the only way forward is to make using security easier than not
using security. Ie, secure/privacy by design.
That's what cryptocat is trying, dee.su/cables appears to do so in a
spectacular easy to use way. Will have to check it out.
And so do I try to reach that holy grail too with my
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