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[liberationtech] Fwd: [jitsi-users] New XMPP Server

Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb ei8fdb at
Sun Jul 28 05:38:32 PDT 2013

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On 28 Jul 2013, at 13:21, John Perry wrote:

> On 7/28/2013 6:44 AM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb wrote:
>> For those interested, these two forwarded mails mention two
>> separate "secure" Jabber servers with "no-logging". I cannot vouch
>> for the validity of them.
>> IMO, any alternative to running the now closed (as in no non-GTalk
>> users can talk directly) Google Talk service.
>> regards, Bernard
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> From: John Perry <lists at> Date: 28 July 2013 09:21:23
>>> GMT+01:00 To: Jitsi Users <users at> Subject: Re:
>>> [jitsi-users] New XMPP Server Reply-To: Jitsi Users
>>> <users at>
>>> On 7/27/2013 5:44 PM, Anthony Papillion wrote:
>>>> I know that Emil has stated that the server is an 
>>>> experimental one and, with the developed focused on making the 
>>>> Jisti software even more kick butt, it's probably a bit hard
>>>> for them to constantly troubleshoot server and config problems
>>>> with the service.
>>>> So I've set up a similar service at and invite 
>>>> anyone interested to use it. We support voice, video, and IM
>>>> and run a Jingle node. We are also completely unlogged (even
>>>> the web server).
>>>> Just putting it out there to anyone who's interested. Not
>>>> trying to poach users from the service. Hopefully, this
>>>> will give Emil and the team a little breathing room.
>>>> Best Regards, Anthony Papilloon
>>> I don't want to steal any of Anthony's thunder but I also have a 
>>> server located at xmpp:// that has no logging and 
>>> pretty much does what Anthony's does and is open to anyone that
>>> want's to use it.
>>> - -- John Perry
> I want to clarify the "secure" part of my server. It is "secure" in
> the regard that it is my own server that I have physical access to
> (it's in my house). It doesn't have any logging turned on and I have
> no intention of turning it on. Anyone is welcome to use it that cares
> to. As far as my trustworthiness goes you are welcome to Google
> and to see the history of my domain and my
> participation in privacy and security issues.

Hi John,

Apologies if my comment sound insulting. It was not meant to be, more just matter-of-fact - I had no knowledge of how secure/insecure your service was, and therefore didn't want to sound like I had any assurances.

I was going for healthy skepticism as opposed to disbelief. Not sure if I succeeded.

IMO everyone should run their own Jabber server at home. It'd not that difficult.


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