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[liberationtech] Fwd: [jitsi-users] New XMPP Server

John Perry lists at
Sun Jul 28 05:45:01 PDT 2013

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On 7/28/2013 7:38 AM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb wrote:
> On 28 Jul 2013, at 13:21, John Perry wrote:
>> On 7/28/2013 6:44 AM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb wrote:
>>> For those interested, these two forwarded mails mention two 
>>> separate "secure" Jabber servers with "no-logging". I cannot
>>> vouch for the validity of them.
>>> IMO, any alternative to running the now closed (as in no
>>> non-GTalk users can talk directly) Google Talk service.
>>> regards, Bernard
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>> From: John Perry <lists at> Date: 28 July 2013
>>>> 09:21:23 GMT+01:00 To: Jitsi Users <users at> Subject:
>>>> Re: [jitsi-users] New XMPP Server Reply-To: Jitsi Users 
>>>> <users at>
>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
>>>> On 7/27/2013 5:44 PM, Anthony Papillion wrote:
>>>>> I know that Emil has stated that the server is an 
>>>>> experimental one and, with the developed focused on making
>>>>> the Jisti software even more kick butt, it's probably a bit
>>>>> hard for them to constantly troubleshoot server and config
>>>>> problems with the service.
>>>>> So I've set up a similar service at and
>>>>> invite anyone interested to use it. We support voice,
>>>>> video, and IM and run a Jingle node. We are also completely
>>>>> unlogged (even the web server).
>>>>> Just putting it out there to anyone who's interested. Not 
>>>>> trying to poach users from the service. Hopefully,
>>>>> this will give Emil and the team a little breathing room.
>>>>> Best Regards, Anthony Papilloon
>>>> I don't want to steal any of Anthony's thunder but I also
>>>> have a server located at xmpp:// that has no
>>>> logging and pretty much does what Anthony's does and is open
>>>> to anyone that want's to use it.
>>>> - -- John Perry
>> I want to clarify the "secure" part of my server. It is "secure"
>> in the regard that it is my own server that I have physical
>> access to (it's in my house). It doesn't have any logging turned
>> on and I have no intention of turning it on. Anyone is welcome to
>> use it that cares to. As far as my trustworthiness goes you are
>> welcome to Google and to see the history of
>> my domain and my participation in privacy and security issues.
> Hi John,
> Apologies if my comment sound insulting. It was not meant to be,
> more just matter-of-fact - I had no knowledge of how
> secure/insecure your service was, and therefore didn't want to
> sound like I had any assurances.
> I was going for healthy skepticism as opposed to disbelief. Not
> sure if I succeeded.
> IMO everyone should run their own Jabber server at home. It'd not
> that difficult.
> regards, Bernard

No insult taken!! I was just clarifying the situation. I've been a
security/privacy advocate for some time now and I just didn't want
anyone to have or perceive any expectations as to the security of the
server. As with anything on the Internet all new things should be
taken with a grain of salt. Again anyone is welcome to use the server.
I just don't make any claims that it's more/less secure than anyone
else's server.

- -- 
John Perry

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