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[liberationtech] NSA has direct access to tech giants' systems for user data, secret ppt reveals

Andrew Lewis me at andrewlew.is
Thu Jun 6 21:29:38 PDT 2013


There seems to be some confirmation via this statement from the DNI:

http://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/191-press-releases-2013/869-dni-statement-on-activities-authorized-under-section-702-of-fisa

On Jun 7, 2013, at 4:23 PM, x z <xhzhang at gmail.com> wrote:

> What surprised me is how Guardian and Washington Post cover this "story". The Power Point slides looks laughable to me. Maybe I should interpret "direct access to servers of firms" as like when I'm typing this email I am also having a direct access to Gmail's servers.
> 
> This either a ploy by some "pro-privacy" extremist or a prank by somebody who's tired of these hyperbole privacy outcries.
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> 2013/6/6 Peter Eckersley <peter.eckersley at gmail.com>
> Of course, I was reading to fast and leaning to heavily on control+f.
> 
> Anyway, 20 million annually seems like a very low number by the usual standards of efficiency in Department of Defense programs.  But the NSA might already have a data storage, processing and query architecture in place that is either not included in this budget or only included on a marginal cost basis.
> 
> 
> On 6 June 2013 16:45, Peter Eckersley <peter.eckersley at gmail.com> wrote:
> Where did you get the $20m budget number from?  I can't find it in any of the stories or attached materials.  But I could be missing something.
> 
> 
> On 6 June 2013 16:14, x z <xhzhang at gmail.com> wrote:
> doesn't seem real to me.  especially the part "direct access to servers of firms ...", and with an annual budget of measly $20m.
> 
> 
> 2013/6/6 Michael Carbone <michael at accessnow.org>
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> Guardian:
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data
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> WaPo:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story_1.html
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> some of the slides (haven't seen the full ppt drop):
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/
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> Participating companies in chronological order: Microsoft, Yahoo,
> Google, Facebook, PalTalk, YouTube, Skype, AOL, Apple. Dropbox
> apparently next up.
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