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[liberationtech] PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

Eugen Leitl eugen at
Fri Jun 7 05:16:07 PDT 2013

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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 20:28:18 -0500
From: Leo Bicknell <bicknell at>
To: jim deleskie <deleskie at>
Cc: goemon at, NANOG <nanog at>
Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
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On Jun 6, 2013, at 8:06 PM, jim deleskie <deleskie at> wrote:

> Knowing its going on, knowing nothing online is secret != OK with it, it
> mealy understand the way things are.

While there's a whole political aspect of electing people who pass better laws, NANOG is not a political action forum.

However many of the people on NANOG are in positions to affect positive change at their respective employers.

- Implement HTTPS for all services.
- Implement PGP for e-mail.
- Implement S/MIME for e-mail.
- Build cloud services that encrypt on the client machine, using a key that is only kept on the client machine.
- Create better UI frameworks for managing keys and identities.
- Align data retention policies with the law.
- Scrutinize and reject defective government legal requests.
- When allowed by law, charge law enforcement for access to data.
- Lobby for more sane laws applied to your area of business.

The high tech industry has often made the government's job easy, not by intention but by laziness.  Keeping your customer's data secure should be a proud marketing point.

       Leo Bicknell - bicknell at - CCIE 3440
        PGP keys at

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