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[liberationtech] Stop promoting Skype

Rich Kulawiec rsk at
Fri Jun 7 06:15:32 PDT 2013

On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 02:48:58PM +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 08:32:36AM -0400, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
> > 
> > These revelations constitute an existence proof that the number
> > of backdoors in various services is nonzero.
> > 
> > There's no reason to believe that this nonzero value is 1.
> It is prudent to believe that the value is exactly one.
> This particular disclosure is a merely another data point.
> We didn't need it in order to assume the value is exactly one.

I'm not following you -- maybe I need more coffee this morning,
but I don't understand the reasoning behind your statement.

Mine is something like this: if one day, the folks from the NSA showed
up at X's door with a van full of equipment and asked nicely if they
could please bring it in, then why wouldn't their counterparts in every
other country do the same to X's sites there?  And since X wants to do
business in those countries, why would it say no?

If on the other hand this was done by the NSA without X's knowledge,
then their counterparts in other countries could try that approach
as well.

So would you mind explaining yours?  (My apologies if it's completely
obvious and I'm just being dense.)

And a side point/adjunct to this: so far, I haven't noticed Amazon
or Rackspace or Softlayer or similar on these lists.  (Again, maybe
more coffee is badly needed.)  I can't believe for a moment that
the NSA overlooked any of the major cloud computing providers.


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