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[liberationtech] NSA has direct access to tech giants' systems for user data, secret ppt reveals

Michael Carbone michael at accessnow.org
Fri Jun 7 09:24:26 PDT 2013


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Well the Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has defended
the program, not denied it:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22809541
http://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/191-press-releases-2013/869-dni-statement-on-activities-authorized-under-section-702-of-fisa

And UK has access:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jun/07/uk-gathering-secret-intelligence-nsa-prism

Most likely Australia, NZ, and Canada have as well, per:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement

Michael

On 06/07/2013 10:13 AM, R. Jason Cronk wrote:
> I tend to agree with this. Here are some things that look fishy
> about this leak
> 
> * The $20 million budget seems paltry. Nothing gets done in
> government for that small amount. * The Powerpoint is amateurish
> (then again with no budget.....) * Everybody implicated is denying
> it (though I suspect they would say the same if it were true) * The
> Guardian says it verified the authenticity of the presentation but
> it doesn't say how, nor does it appear they have any corroborating
> evidence.
> 
> 
> Hopefully their will be some further investigation that will
> provide additional evidence about the program's existence.
> 
> Jason
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/7/2013 12:23 AM, x z wrote:
>> What surprised me is how Guardian and Washington Post cover this 
>> "story". The Power Point slides looks laughable to me. Maybe I
>> should interpret "direct access to servers of firms" as like when
>> I'm typing this email I am also having /a direct access/ to
>> Gmail's servers.
>> 
>> This either a ploy by some "pro-privacy" extremist or a prank by 
>> somebody who's tired of these hyperbole privacy outcries.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 2013/6/6 Peter Eckersley <peter.eckersley at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:peter.eckersley at gmail.com>>
>> 
>> Of course, I was reading to fast and leaning to heavily on
>> control+f.
>> 
>> Anyway, 20 million annually seems like a very low number by the 
>> usual standards of efficiency in Department of Defense programs.
>>  But the NSA might already have a data storage, processing and 
>> query architecture in place that is either not included in this 
>> budget or only included on a marginal cost basis.
>> 
>> 
>> On 6 June 2013 16:45, Peter Eckersley <peter.eckersley at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:peter.eckersley at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Where did you get the $20m budget number from?  I can't find it
>> in any of the stories or attached materials.  But I could be
>> missing something.
>> 
>> 
>> On 6 June 2013 16:14, x z <xhzhang at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:xhzhang at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> doesn't seem real to me.  especially the part "*direct access to
>> servers* of firms ...", and with an annual budget of measly
>> $20m.
>> 
>> 
>> 2013/6/6 Michael Carbone <michael at accessnow.org 
>> <mailto:michael at accessnow.org>>
>> 
> Guardian: 
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data
>
>  WaPo: 
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story_1.html
>
>  some of the slides (haven't seen the full ppt drop): 
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/
>
>  Participating companies in chronological order: Microsoft, Yahoo, 
> Google, Facebook, PalTalk, YouTube, Skype, AOL, Apple. Dropbox 
> apparently next up.
> 
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> 
> *R. Jason Cronk, Esq., CIPP/US* /Privacy Engineering Consultant/,
> *Enterprivacy Consulting Group* <enterprivacy.com>
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