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[liberationtech] Boundless Informant: the NSA's secret tool to track global surveillance data

David Golumbia dgolumbia at
Sun Jun 9 07:17:34 PDT 2013

complete agreement with Rich on my part.

On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Rich Kulawiec <rsk at> wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 09:45:31AM -0400, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
> > I don't agree with x z (and rather agree with you), but I'm really tired
> of just how aggressive and rude you always are on Libtech.
> First: you've got to be kidding.  I've never seen a single message on
> this list that goes past about 2 on a 10 scale.  (Not that I'd mind
> seeing things that go higher: I really do enjoy quality flamage.)
> Second: stupidity, in all forms, fully deserves to be slapped down --
> hard.  I expect that if I say something stupid here (and if I haven't
> already, eventually I will) that I'll get hammered for it.  Good.
> I should be.  Because I would rather endure the pummelling and the
> possible embarassment than persist in being wrong.  (Or worse,
> making someone else be wrong too because they think I'm right when
> I'm most certainly not.)
> Third: anyone who can't handle the exceedingly gentle discussions here
> (which are, generally speaking, held between people who are *all on the
> same side*, at least in a philosophical sense), is really, really not
> up to the task of "liberating" anything.  Because doing so will require
> going up against people who will do far more than just type a few mildly
> caustic words in an email message from time to time.
> Jacob's contributions here are among the most cogent and useful.  I don't
> care how "aggressive" and "rude" he is (and I don't think he is at all,
> by the way), I care if he's right -- and he has an excellent track record
> of being so.
> ---rsk
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