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[liberationtech] Boundless Informant: the NSA's secret tool to track global surveillance data

Katrin Verclas katrin at
Sun Jun 9 08:49:57 PDT 2013

+1000 on Nadim's comment who is not always that civil either. If you notice who speaks on this list- it's geeky men. And not just speak but flame at times and engage in silly meta discussions best filtered out. 

The discourse on this list, in general, does not encourage truly thoughtful discussion nor does it invite diverse voices. That might be lost on people like RK but it's not lost on the many "others" here who are not speaking.  Liberation isn't just for and by the few white men spouting off here more often than not. Might be worth keeping in mind when posting. 

On Jun 9, 2013, at 10:08, Rich Kulawiec <rsk at> wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 09:45:31AM -0400, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
>> I don't agree with x z (and rather agree with you), but I'm really tired of just how aggressive and rude you always are on Libtech. 
> First: you've got to be kidding.  I've never seen a single message on
> this list that goes past about 2 on a 10 scale.  (Not that I'd mind
> seeing things that go higher: I really do enjoy quality flamage.)
> Second: stupidity, in all forms, fully deserves to be slapped down --
> hard.  I expect that if I say something stupid here (and if I haven't
> already, eventually I will) that I'll get hammered for it.  Good.
> I should be.  Because I would rather endure the pummelling and the
> possible embarassment than persist in being wrong.  (Or worse,
> making someone else be wrong too because they think I'm right when
> I'm most certainly not.)
> Third: anyone who can't handle the exceedingly gentle discussions here
> (which are, generally speaking, held between people who are *all on the
> same side*, at least in a philosophical sense), is really, really not
> up to the task of "liberating" anything.  Because doing so will require
> going up against people who will do far more than just type a few mildly
> caustic words in an email message from time to time.
> Jacob's contributions here are among the most cogent and useful.  I don't
> care how "aggressive" and "rude" he is (and I don't think he is at all,
> by the way), I care if he's right -- and he has an excellent track record
> of being so.
> ---rsk
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