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[liberationtech] Boundless Informant: the NSA's secret tool to track global surveillance data

Nadim Kobeissi nadim at
Sun Jun 9 10:48:58 PDT 2013

It seems Europe isn't safe either from data mining, due to overreach:


On 2013-06-09, at 1:22 PM, Jacob Appelbaum <jacob at> wrote:

> Nadim Kobeissi:
>> On 2013-06-09, at 1:02 PM, Jacob Appelbaum <jacob at>
>> wrote:
>>> Nadim Kobeissi:
>>>> Jake, I don't agree with x z (and rather agree with you), but
>>>> I'm really tired of just how aggressive and rude you always are
>>>> on Libtech. And it doesn't appear to just be towards me. I'm not
>>>> the only person who feels like this.
>>>> Even if you're right, tone your ego knob down already. Be nice. I
>>>> can barely read through threads anymore. Thank you.
>>> Dear Nadim,
>>> I'm sorry that your felt that I was aggressive and rude. It wasn't
>>> my intention. Nor do I think that my last email had anything to do
>>> with my ego.
>>> I was defending Glenn's reputation and his findings - which seem 
>>> absolutely solid from where I'm standing.
>> What a nice thing to say! Thank you! :-) I think Glenn Greenwald is a
>> wonderful journalist who really revealed a hugely meaningful story.
>> Maybe not the story of the decade overall, but perhaps the story of
>> the decade when it comes to computer and information security and
>> privacy.
>> The thing is, I agree with you almost all the time. But you alienate
>> me (and I think others too) because of the ruthlessness in which you
>> express yourself. Even well-known members of a community do not
>> obtain a license to talk down to others.
> I'm sorry that you think I am rutheless. I feel that I actually have
> quite a lot of compassion and I regularly express it. I do not generally
> feel pity - to feel pity, generally one must place oneself above others
> - which isn't useful or productive.
>> I think it's super nice of you to be this considerate and I think
>> this is a solid contribution to improving the mood of this list. I
>> hope "x z" also appreciates this clarification! Hurray for Jake!
> Do you suppose you might reply to the points that I made?
> You asserted that I was aggressive and rude. I contested it. Did you
> decide that my previous emails were not so, after clarification, or what?
> All the best,
> Jake
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