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[liberationtech] Guardian reporter delayed e-mailing NSA source because crypto is a pain

Paul Bernal (LAW) Paul.Bernal at
Wed Jun 12 01:53:09 PDT 2013

This all rings very true for me: I'm a legal academic, and barely a geek, and in reality I barely ever use crypto. I was at the Privacy Law Scholars Conference in Berkeley last week when the PRISM story broke, and we had a special session at the end of the conference to talk about what we knew - and someone asked about 'user-friendly crypto' and there was a kind of laugh/cheer around the room. Everyone knows we want it, no-one believes it's there.


On 12 Jun 2013, at 09:27, "Andy Isaacson" <adi at> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 07:11:49PM -0700, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Kate Krauss <katie at> wrote:
>>> It's really easy to use these tools if you already know how to do it.
>> I've been using PGP since 1994, if not earlier. In more recent times
> 1998, here.
>> it's become a regular part of my workflow in discussing security
>> critical bugs. I am a programmer and a computing expert.
> I use gnupg daily.
>> I do not consider the tools easy to use at all ...
> I routinely, and frequently, still get bitten by design bugs,
> implementation bugs, and UI bugs which continue to make the PGP
> ecosystem effectively unusable.  I cannot recommend PGP for routine use
> to anyone outside of the security community, and I don't think I know
> anyone who has used it consistently for more than 2 years without
> encountering a serious data/comms loss due to PGP bugs or gotchas.
> -andy
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