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[liberationtech] Building a encrypted mobile network

Jonathan Wilkes jancsika at
Wed Jun 12 08:42:44 PDT 2013

 >From: Michael Rogers <michael at>
>To: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at>; liberationtech <liberationtech at> 
>Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 6:58 AM
>Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Building a encrypted mobile network

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>On 11/06/13 17:47, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>>> Concealing these patterns would require users to send and
>>> receive dummy data even when they weren't sending or receiving
>>> calls, which would drain their batteries and data allowances. It
>>> would be possible to build such a system, but I don't think
>>> anyone would use it.
>> I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that somebody
>> would have a device running orbot with a (non-exit) relay that sits
>> at home, plugged in, running over wifi.  Or, some small plug
>> computer with a headset hookup that functions the same.  Or on
>> their main machine that just runs all the time.  All that's needed
>> then is a mechanism to leave a text message when the other person
>> isn't at home (Torchat, maybe Bitmessage, etc.).

>Well yes, if you take the mobile out of mobile security, the problem
>gets easier. ;-)

>Seriously though, I agree that this could work really well on a
>Freedombox or similar.

It could work well with Tor and a cross-platform gui toolkit that allows
it to run on OSX, Windows, GNU/Linux, and (ideally) Android.

But yes, if someone developed such an application and got it
running on a freedom box[1] I agree that would be extremely useful.
Because after all, the freedom box[1] is a widely popular, well-documented,
well-supported, and (relatively) inexpensive piece of hardware used not
just by computer experts, but also educators, children, entrepreneurs,
hobbyists, activists... all kinds of people, all around the world who care
about having control over their machines and their data.


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