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[liberationtech] Oakland Cryptoparty This Sunday at 1pm

Eugen Leitl eugen at
Mon Jun 17 06:30:32 PDT 2013

On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 06:05:47AM -0700, Brian Conley wrote:

> Until you become a nuisance, at which point the state just requests
> cancelation/blocking/surveillance of your single static IP address?

There are alternative ways to circumvent that (e.g. look at
Retroshare, which does not need installations on a server, but
will not support email to users outside of the Retroshare network).

But, we were talking about good old email.
> I'm asking, because I'm not clueful on this issue and interested to hear
> more as you and rich are touting this as all being very easy, which seems
> unlikely...

It depends on whether there are technical users in your organisation,
or you can get outside support. I think there would be value in
creating a support portal where vetted volunteers would be matched
to end users and organisations looking for support.

I notice I did not receive answers to my questions yet, so
there's little point in digging into all possible branches.

(One scenario: in case of end user hosted email, I personally would look 
into a cheap VMWare box (e.g. HP Microserver, booting free
ESXi from the internal USB stick) and deploy a virtual image, 
e.g. Zimbra -- perhaps someone should look into packaging
into a free VMWare appliance that is easy to deploy even for novice
users -- yes, this still will need support, but much less so).
> Thanks!
> Brian
> On Jun 14, 2013 7:03 PM, "Eugen Leitl" <eugen at> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 06:41:12PM +0200, Ernad Halilovic wrote:
> >
> > > I wanted to ask you if you have any good resources on getting the
> > hardware
> > > ready for a complete move of operations out of the cloud.
> >
> > I'm not Rich (who indeed writes great stuff, thanks!),
> > but I would start with seeing whether you could
> > get a public, static IPv4 address from your Internet Service
> > Provider (this is what I do).
> >
> > If you can't, but have spare rackable hardware I would
> > look into finding a suitable cheap colocation space to
> > host it (this I what I do).
> >
> > If you can't, I'd look into renting physical hardware in
> > a suitable jurisdiction (this is what I used to do).
> >
> > Next step would be a virtual server in a suitable
> > jurisdiction (e.g. we picked Iceland).
> >
> > Further steps would depend on answers to above questions.

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