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[liberationtech] NYT: Obama’s German Storm

Eugen Leitl eugen at
Tue Jun 18 02:38:51 PDT 2013

On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 10:40:23PM +0200, fukami wrote:
> Hi,
> it's not the first time I hear or read this from Americans: Many people already gave up discussions about data protection a long time ago. So there seems a lot of hope that Europeans and especially the Germans with their learnings from history of surveillance and strong view on privacy can help fix "Americas lost balance". But to be true: I actually don't think that our stupid politicians are really the right people for this (and I also think that the US administration give a f*** what Europeans think or demand). 

You're falling for bad PR. Particularly Germany does not have
full souvereignity, and it specifically shows in it being #6
on the top telecommunication surveillance lists. Rest of the EU
is not much different. De facto they're vassals to the US,
as long the empire is still functional they'll remain that.

Do not look that your politicians tell you (not that they
represent you, anyway), and rather judge them by their actions.

Look back into the past couple decades, there's your answer already.

Notice this list is called liberation technology, not liberation
politics. There's a probably reason for that.
> Still, if the pressure will last longer than the usual couple of days, there is a real change to get some interesting regulations on EU level that could badly influence US internet businesses in Europe - for good in terms of better general data protection for all of us.

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