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[liberationtech] Skype interception - Project Chess

Griffin Boyce griffinboyce at
Fri Jun 21 09:36:14 PDT 2013

+1 Nathan. Jitsi is great, but does need more love and attention from
developers to be a real contender.

Skype got its foot hold on various communities because it's useful, usable,
and has (had?) an under-educated user base.  The ongoing debate about their
terrible security practices will likely lead to a small minority of their
users jumping ship.

What happens when one company totally dominates its sector in this way? How
can we effectively fight against them?  We need to come up with better
strategies for convincing people to opt out of ubiquitous surveillance.  At
this point, it's still really easy for people to justify bad security
decisions by drawing a distinction between themselves and "paranoid"
security types. For people who are already convinced, the learning curve is
pretty steep, this is true, but there is a legion of people out there who
still think they aren't affected at all by this sort of revelation. We need
to change that.


Typing on a phone, please excuse fatfingers and grammatical errors.

On Jun 21, 2013 10:31 AM, "Nathan of Guardian" <nathan at>
> On 06/20/2013 10:08 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
> > To the Skype promoters, apologists and deniers - I encourage you to
> > start using, and improving Jitsi - it needs a lot of love but it at
> > least has a chance of being secure, whereas Skype is beyond repair.
> I also want to add to this, that in order to use Jitsi, you need a
> trustworthy, privacy-oriented SIP service provider [0], to go with it.
> This means someone that doesn't keep logs, doesn't require real name
> registration, defaults to secure, and that also offers features to help
> defend against traffic analysis and mass metadata gathering [1].
> This is exactly what we have been working on at Guardian Project with
> our Open Secure Telephony Network [2] project and our public
> beta/testbed service at The base service platform we are using
> is Kamailio [3], which is a project that should be as equally supported
> as Jitsi.
> Ultimately, our goal is not to replace one single service with another
> single service, but rather to enable every user, organization, NGO,
> collective, cooperative, etc to run their own service, or at least have
> a variety of hosted service operators that run at a known quality and
> standard for privacy-oriented voice and video communications.
> +n
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