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[liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!

Mike Perry mikeperry at
Mon Jun 24 15:50:13 PDT 2013

Jacob Appelbaum:
> Jillian C. York:
> > +1
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Cooper Quintin
> > <cooper at>wrote:
> > 
> >> Start page also allows you to generate a url that has certain settings,
> >> for example this one (
> >>
> >> )has safe search turned off and no caching for video and image search
> >> results turned on.  It could be useful to put something like this in Tor
> >> Browser to avoid search filtering.
> It would be great if this was the default home page. I'd certainly be
> happier with that as the default search engine.

I don't have anything against porn, and do I strongly believe we should
make it easy for people to search for whatever they want (hence right
now, I like the idea of adding a "Startpage (unfiltered)" omnibox item
rather than changing the default), but I am not sure that I like the
idea of exposing people to porn who are not looking for it. I worry that
changing the default *might* do this.

Two things could tip the scales in my mind either way about the default:

1. Can anyone provide concrete examples where the image and/or video
filters of Startpage/Google (I think Startpage just uses Google's
filters) have inadvertently censored material that is not porn, and this
error has persisted uncorrected for a significant period of time?

I think it is important to weigh this against people being provided with
porn results if they are not actually looking for porn -- which is an
important issue of consent, IMO. I am sure there are many Muslim users
of TBB who do not want to see porn at all, and merely want free access
to information. The possibility of subjecting those people to porn
potentially against their will weighs on me a bit..

2. The converse is that making people in the Islamic world who *are*
looking for porn potentially signal this via their omnibox choice isn't
a great option either, since that choice can leak to disk. I don't think
it is fair to allow these people to potentially subject themselves to
government persecution via this choice. :/

I am open to suggestions on how to balance these concerns.

Mike Perry

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