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[liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

phryk input at
Mon Jun 24 15:45:24 PDT 2013

On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:17:16 +0000
Jacob Appelbaum <jacob at> wrote:

> This is a false dichotomy of an argument if ever I've heard one. I
> keep hearing it too. It bums me out to no end.
> I understand that removing ourselves from specific discussions removes
> our voices from those discussions. However, I see no reason why the
> greater discussion itself is confined to that specific space at that
> specific time. Who decided that? At best, we do when we engage with it
> despite very serious and very reasonable misgivings.

Of course the greater discussion isn't confined to the OHM Camp but my
understanding is that the mentioned discussion is specific to that
event. And at least for me it will be also the next chance to meet any
of the people here.

> We should work to create a space that is on level footing; we should
> not engage seriously with spaces that demonstrate otherwise so
> blatantly.
> I'm sure that OHM will be worth attending but let us not have the
> illusion that it presents an ideal safe space for such discussions.
> Let us also be clear that OHM is not the only place for such
> discussions nor is by any means the only place that the community is
> able to hold such discussions.

Personally, I'm not aware of any place that would fit that description,
but it is at least a place where a bunch of the people here will be
able to meet in person.

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