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[liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

Jacob Appelbaum jacob at
Mon Jun 24 16:02:00 PDT 2013

> On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:17:16 +0000
> Jacob Appelbaum <jacob at> wrote:
>> This is a false dichotomy of an argument if ever I've heard one. I
>> keep hearing it too. It bums me out to no end.
>> I understand that removing ourselves from specific discussions removes
>> our voices from those discussions. However, I see no reason why the
>> greater discussion itself is confined to that specific space at that
>> specific time. Who decided that? At best, we do when we engage with it
>> despite very serious and very reasonable misgivings.
> Of course the greater discussion isn't confined to the OHM Camp but my
> understanding is that the mentioned discussion is specific to that
> event. And at least for me it will be also the next chance to meet any
> of the people here.

A lot of the context is related but not entirely specific.

>> We should work to create a space that is on level footing; we should
>> not engage seriously with spaces that demonstrate otherwise so
>> blatantly.
>> I'm sure that OHM will be worth attending but let us not have the
>> illusion that it presents an ideal safe space for such discussions.
>> Let us also be clear that OHM is not the only place for such
>> discussions nor is by any means the only place that the community is
>> able to hold such discussions.
> Personally, I'm not aware of any place that would fit that description,
> but it is at least a place where a bunch of the people here will be
> able to meet in person.

The 30th CCC Congress is likely to be such a space. Alternatively, we
could create a new space that talks about the issues at hand.

All the best,

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