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[liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

Jurre andmore drwhax at
Mon Jun 24 16:39:39 PDT 2013

2013/6/25 Jacob Appelbaum <jacob at>

> Nadim Kobeissi:
> >
> > On 2013-06-24, at 6:23 PM, Griffin Boyce <griffinboyce at>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Not only am I going to be presenting three talks at OHM, I will be
> >> presenting talks that are (in many ways) totally dead conversations
> >> in the US.
> >>
> >> It's interesting how much of the debate centers around the presence
> >> of police at OHM, as if American hacker cons didn't have the head
> >> of the NSA presenting keynotes. Or congratulating a child for doing
> >> things an adult could be prosecuted for.  I find it really hard to
> >> pass judgement on OHM organizers when our own ecosystem is so
> >> unbelievably toxic.
> >
> > Hear hear, Griffin. Also, Micah made some good points.
> >
> > Adding on what Griffin and Micah have saidI think OHM is an
> > opportunity for those discussions to happen between legitimate people
> > at a legitimate and exciting event.
> Legitimate? You mean the event that has driven away a number of people,
> including those who don't feel safe but wanted to be a part of the
> discussion?
> Using the word legitimate is a rhetorical disarming tactic in such a
> social context. It declares a really contentious situation to be safe
> for all when many have dissented. The social contract hasn't changed to
> take their concerns into account, either.
> Pretty illegitimate if you ask me!
> > I myself am presenting a talk and
> > a workshop at OHM and NoisySquare.
> Congratulations on your talk and workshop.
> >
> > If you want to focus your ire on something, go take a look at how
> > DEFCON and BlackHat are inviting NSA Director Keith Alexander to give
> > the keynote!
> >
> Why not both? The Dutch intelligence will be undercover watching OHM,
> right? They're able to access and use NSA intercepts, much to the
> previously quite over the top nationalist hackers chagrin.

Unless the AIVD will cut and splice the fiber somewhere along the way or
install blackboxes without the NOC knowing at the DC which is NOC
controlled (who don't like spooks at all..) I don't see how this stands-up.
Next to that, the AIVD/MIVD hasn't deployed a nationwide eavesdropping
setup for internet unlike the Swedes, Germans and Americans.

GSM is a different story..

With kind regards,

Jurre van Bergen
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