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[liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

Jillian C. York jilliancyork at
Mon Jun 24 16:50:14 PDT 2013

On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Jacob Appelbaum <jacob at>wrote:

> Nadim Kobeissi:
> >
> > On 2013-06-24, at 6:23 PM, Griffin Boyce <griffinboyce at>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Not only am I going to be presenting three talks at OHM, I will be
> >> presenting talks that are (in many ways) totally dead conversations
> >> in the US.
> >>
> >> It's interesting how much of the debate centers around the presence
> >> of police at OHM, as if American hacker cons didn't have the head
> >> of the NSA presenting keynotes. Or congratulating a child for doing
> >> things an adult could be prosecuted for.  I find it really hard to
> >> pass judgement on OHM organizers when our own ecosystem is so
> >> unbelievably toxic.
> >
> > Hear hear, Griffin. Also, Micah made some good points.
> >
> > Adding on what Griffin and Micah have saidI think OHM is an
> > opportunity for those discussions to happen between legitimate people
> > at a legitimate and exciting event.
> Legitimate? You mean the event that has driven away a number of people,
> including those who don't feel safe but wanted to be a part of the
> discussion?
> Using the word legitimate is a rhetorical disarming tactic in such a
> social context. It declares a really contentious situation to be safe
> for all when many have dissented. The social contract hasn't changed to
> take their concerns into account, either.
> Pretty illegitimate if you ask me!
> > I myself am presenting a talk and
> > a workshop at OHM and NoisySquare.
> Congratulations on your talk and workshop.
> >
> > If you want to focus your ire on something, go take a look at how
> > DEFCON and BlackHat are inviting NSA Director Keith Alexander to give
> > the keynote!
> >
> Why not both? The Dutch intelligence will be undercover watching OHM,
> right? They're able to access and use NSA intercepts, much to the
> previously quite over the top nationalist hackers chagrin.
> I suspect that Gen. A won't receive a warm welcome at Defcon or BlackHat
> - though I wager he won't get the customary cream pie prank either.
> Either way - this is a stark contrast to the "lets make a village" and
> "our cops are fine and dandy" dialog I've heard from many people during
> various OHM dialogs.

I have to agree with Jake here.  While I am not choosing to boycott the
event myself, I've also been very put off by the excuses made about the
police presence.  I also do not feel comfortable around police, and while I
am pragmatically sympathetic to the fact that Dutch law requires some
presence (correct me if I'm wrong), I do think that the concerns around
this have been handled too lightly.

> All the best,
> Jacob
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