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[liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

Jurre andmore drwhax at gmail.com
Mon Jun 24 16:54:46 PDT 2013


I wish we all spoke out against the police being present 20 years ago and
not in 2013.

2013/6/25 Jillian C. York <jilliancyork at gmail.com>

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>
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Jacob Appelbaum <jacob at appelbaum.net>wrote:
>
>> Nadim Kobeissi:
>> >
>> > On 2013-06-24, at 6:23 PM, Griffin Boyce <griffinboyce at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Not only am I going to be presenting three talks at OHM, I will be
>> >> presenting talks that are (in many ways) totally dead conversations
>> >> in the US.
>> >>
>> >> It's interesting how much of the debate centers around the presence
>> >> of police at OHM, as if American hacker cons didn't have the head
>> >> of the NSA presenting keynotes. Or congratulating a child for doing
>> >> things an adult could be prosecuted for.  I find it really hard to
>> >> pass judgement on OHM organizers when our own ecosystem is so
>> >> unbelievably toxic.
>> >
>> > Hear hear, Griffin. Also, Micah made some good points.
>> >
>> > Adding on what Griffin and Micah have saidI think OHM is an
>> > opportunity for those discussions to happen between legitimate people
>> > at a legitimate and exciting event.
>>
>> Legitimate? You mean the event that has driven away a number of people,
>> including those who don't feel safe but wanted to be a part of the
>> discussion?
>>
>> Using the word legitimate is a rhetorical disarming tactic in such a
>> social context. It declares a really contentious situation to be safe
>> for all when many have dissented. The social contract hasn't changed to
>> take their concerns into account, either.
>>
>> Pretty illegitimate if you ask me!
>>
>> > I myself am presenting a talk and
>> > a workshop at OHM and NoisySquare.
>>
>> Congratulations on your talk and workshop.
>>
>> >
>> > If you want to focus your ire on something, go take a look at how
>> > DEFCON and BlackHat are inviting NSA Director Keith Alexander to give
>> > the keynote!
>> >
>>
>> Why not both? The Dutch intelligence will be undercover watching OHM,
>> right? They're able to access and use NSA intercepts, much to the
>> previously quite over the top nationalist hackers chagrin.
>>
>> I suspect that Gen. A won't receive a warm welcome at Defcon or BlackHat
>> - though I wager he won't get the customary cream pie prank either.
>> Either way - this is a stark contrast to the "lets make a village" and
>> "our cops are fine and dandy" dialog I've heard from many people during
>> various OHM dialogs.
>>
>
> I have to agree with Jake here.  While I am not choosing to boycott the
> event myself, I've also been very put off by the excuses made about the
> police presence.  I also do not feel comfortable around police, and while I
> am pragmatically sympathetic to the fact that Dutch law requires some
> presence (correct me if I'm wrong), I do think that the concerns around
> this have been handled too lightly.
>
>>
>> All the best,
>> Jacob
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With kind regards,

Jurre van Bergen
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