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[liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

Jillian C. York jilliancyork at gmail.com
Tue Jun 25 08:11:50 PDT 2013


I was 11 years old.


On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Jurre andmore <drwhax at gmail.com> wrote:

> I wish we all spoke out against the police being present 20 years ago and
> not in 2013.
>
> 2013/6/25 Jillian C. York <jilliancyork at gmail.com>
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Jacob Appelbaum <jacob at appelbaum.net>wrote:
>>
>>> Nadim Kobeissi:
>>> >
>>> > On 2013-06-24, at 6:23 PM, Griffin Boyce <griffinboyce at gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Not only am I going to be presenting three talks at OHM, I will be
>>> >> presenting talks that are (in many ways) totally dead conversations
>>> >> in the US.
>>> >>
>>> >> It's interesting how much of the debate centers around the presence
>>> >> of police at OHM, as if American hacker cons didn't have the head
>>> >> of the NSA presenting keynotes. Or congratulating a child for doing
>>> >> things an adult could be prosecuted for.  I find it really hard to
>>> >> pass judgement on OHM organizers when our own ecosystem is so
>>> >> unbelievably toxic.
>>> >
>>> > Hear hear, Griffin. Also, Micah made some good points.
>>> >
>>> > Adding on what Griffin and Micah have saidI think OHM is an
>>> > opportunity for those discussions to happen between legitimate people
>>> > at a legitimate and exciting event.
>>>
>>> Legitimate? You mean the event that has driven away a number of people,
>>> including those who don't feel safe but wanted to be a part of the
>>> discussion?
>>>
>>> Using the word legitimate is a rhetorical disarming tactic in such a
>>> social context. It declares a really contentious situation to be safe
>>> for all when many have dissented. The social contract hasn't changed to
>>> take their concerns into account, either.
>>>
>>> Pretty illegitimate if you ask me!
>>>
>>> > I myself am presenting a talk and
>>> > a workshop at OHM and NoisySquare.
>>>
>>> Congratulations on your talk and workshop.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > If you want to focus your ire on something, go take a look at how
>>> > DEFCON and BlackHat are inviting NSA Director Keith Alexander to give
>>> > the keynote!
>>> >
>>>
>>> Why not both? The Dutch intelligence will be undercover watching OHM,
>>> right? They're able to access and use NSA intercepts, much to the
>>> previously quite over the top nationalist hackers chagrin.
>>>
>>> I suspect that Gen. A won't receive a warm welcome at Defcon or BlackHat
>>> - though I wager he won't get the customary cream pie prank either.
>>> Either way - this is a stark contrast to the "lets make a village" and
>>> "our cops are fine and dandy" dialog I've heard from many people during
>>> various OHM dialogs.
>>>
>>
>> I have to agree with Jake here.  While I am not choosing to boycott the
>> event myself, I've also been very put off by the excuses made about the
>> police presence.  I also do not feel comfortable around police, and while I
>> am pragmatically sympathetic to the fact that Dutch law requires some
>> presence (correct me if I'm wrong), I do think that the concerns around
>> this have been handled too lightly.
>>
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>> Jacob
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>
> Jurre van Bergen
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