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[liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage

Jonathan Wilkes jancsika at
Tue Jun 25 22:56:46 PDT 2013

 >From: Mike Perry <mikeperry at>
>To: liberationtech <liberationtech at> 
>Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:26 AM
>Subject: Re: [liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage

>Google is also unwilling to work with us to deploy rate limiting
solutions, even if Tor were to develop them for them. I've tried
numerous times through multiple channels over the past 5 (five!) years
now to get some level of agreement to support various alternative and
less intrusive rate limiting mechanisms based on proof of work, blind
signatures, and other schemes instead of SMS and Captcha, so that Tor
could turn around and try to find a sponsor to build it, but the only
response we can get is "Abuse rate limiting is hard, and Google is the
best in the world at it! You can't mess with success!"

There needs to be the equivalent of a "swear jar" whenever a discussion
starts up about how to jibe with services from a company with no
incentive to implement changes for an insignificant portion of its userbase
OR --even if it were a larger portion-- degrade the product it sells to
advertisers (i.e., targeting search/browse ads to exit nodes instead of
directly to users).

I'd suggest
as the jar.  (Though maybe there are others.)

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