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[liberationtech] Secret European deals to hand over private data to America

Paul Bernal (LAW) Paul.Bernal at
Sat Jun 29 23:08:36 PDT 2013

You're right of course: it was a facile reply of mine, particularly on here. It's how we respond that matters.

On 30 Jun 2013, at 04:10, "Jacob Appelbaum" <jacob at> wrote:

> Paul Bernal (LAW):
>> None of this should be surprising, should it? It's a reasonable
>> assumption that all intelligence agencies share their data on a
>> pretty regular basis - certainly with 'friendly' nations, and almost
>> certainly with others, on a quid pro quo basis. It's always been that
>> way.
> Hi,
> Whenever I see this kind of response I wonder, is it a surprise that
> people are robbed? Or that wars kill innocent people? Is it a surprise
> that our governments spy on us? Is it a surprise that people are
> sexually assaulted? It is a surprise that computers get hacked? That
> bankers who pillage walk free?
> I wonder though - do such people who may or may not be surprised - do
> they have any other thoughts?
> Would you tell a victim of the Stasi - "I'm not surprised you were
> harassed!" or would you tell a friend who was beaten for being gay "I'm
> not surprised you were beaten up!"
> Is there a thought that comes after that lack of surprise?
> One wonders if some cynical feelings might smother all other thinking.
> What comes after surprise? Do you - for example - think it is wrong? Do
> you - for example - want it to be this way?
> All the best,
> Jacob
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