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[liberationtech] cellebrite report

Douglas Lucas dal at
Fri Mar 8 19:57:58 PST 2013

These alternative passcode systems are really neat. Is there a way,
though, to quantify, for the different systems, how plausibly the
passcode can be 1) remembered or 2) forgotten or 3) "forgotten"?

On 02/27/2013 09:42 AM, R. Jason Cronk wrote:
> You could play Guitar Hero to get in your phone...
> Another option would be to use animal species.  There are some 3-30
> million different species of animals. Even restricting oneself to
> vertebrates, you have about 50,000 species (a five fold increase over a
> 4 digit pin).  The user would be presented with a series of reducing
> questions. Question 1) Amphibian, Reptile, Bird, Mammal, Fish, etc.... 
> The user need only remember how to get to their one animal choice. 
> Additional orders of magnitude could be had by adding invertebrates,
> plants, minerals on the front end or subspecies on the back end.
> Jason
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Tom Ritter <tom at
> <mailto:tom at>> wrote:
>     The Passcode section of the report is blank, I guess indicating the
>     user did not have a passcode?
>     The article does mention passcodes:
>     > All modern smartphones can be locked with a PIN or password, which
>     can slow down,
>     > or in some cases, completely thwart forensic analysis by the
>     police (as well as a phone
>     > thief or a prying partner). Make sure to pick a sufficiently long
>     password: a 4 character
>     > numeric PIN can be cracked in a few minutes, and the pattern-based
>     unlock screen
>     > offered by Android can be bypassed by Google if forced to by the
>     government. Finally,
>     > if your mobile operating system offers a disk encryption option
>     (such as with Android
>     > 4.0 and above), it is important to turn it on.
>     The iPhone has a class of data that is encrypted when the device is
>     locked, and decrypted based off a key derived in part by the passcode
>     when unlocked.  I think this, combined with separate passwords for FDE
>     and screen unlocking would be good classes of improvements we can make
>     in all mobile platforms (not just phones).
>     I'd also love to see some research into alternative, higher entropy
>     but simple-to-use screen unlock systems.  At first I was thinking
>     something akin to a pattern unlock, but a path through a 3D maze: your
>     password is a series of turns, but even presented with five choices
>     five times the keyspace is too small.  What keyspaces present a large
>     number of easy-to-parse options that fit nicely on a phone screen?
>     Maybe a map?  I've seen a few attempts[0,1, and others] but I've not
>     been convinced they wind up with an order of magnitude more choices
>     that the baseline 10000 of a 4-digit passcode.
>     -tom
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