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[liberationtech] Satellite phones for Rohingya in Burma

ttscanada ttscanada at riseup.net
Sun Mar 17 15:29:31 PDT 2013


Thanks Mark, interesting. Was this recently?

All the best,

Heather Marsh
@GeorgieBC on Twitter



On 13-03-17 2:18 PM, Mark Belinsky wrote:
> In my work with the Rohingya and research into communications systems 
> in Arakan state in the Western portion of the country, it was notable 
> that there was data coverage spilling over from neighboring Bangladesh 
> and people were using these towers to transmit information across 
> borders.
>
> All the best,
> Mark
>
>
>
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> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 4:49 PM, ttscanada <ttscanada at riseup.net 
> <mailto:ttscanada at riseup.net>> wrote:
>
>     Very good points, thanks, Jake. We were thinking more of phones
>     since it appears they are more paranoid of cameras than phones,
>     but you have a very good point, phones are more easily controlled.
>     Rethinking.
>
>
>     All the best,
>
>     Heather Marsh
>     @GeorgieBC on Twitter
>
>
>     On 13-03-17 1:25 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
>
>         ttscanada:
>
>             Hi Jacob,
>
>             Yes, exactly to the security issues, which is why we have
>             tried nothing
>             to date, any Rohingya caught with anything like a camera
>             or radio is
>             tortured and killed. Ease of use is also paramount, there
>             is no point
>             risking lives to get a phone in that no one can use. We are
>             unfortunately at final wipeout stage and the people there
>             are agreed
>             that the risk of being killed is 100% with or without
>             phones. I don't
>             know of anything except satellite phones they could use to
>             document. The
>             military is definitely paranoid of cameras, phones and
>             outsiders atm.
>             The situation in every refugee camp outside Burma is also
>             awful, but
>             still not at the stage where it is worth risking lives. We
>             have managed
>             to get some pictures (like of Rakhine flyers announcing
>             the next
>             massacre) but almost nothing out of Sittwe. There is
>             plenty that needs
>             documenting in the surrounding areas though.
>
>             In any case, they know they will die, they don't want to
>             die without a
>             trace. I am slightly more optimistic that if we get some
>             pictures out
>             some of them won't die at all, we have it from good
>             sources that the
>             government is already very annoyed at the small publicity
>             we have
>             created and worried at the war crimes documentation. The
>             government's
>             official position is that the Rohingya don't actually
>             exist, or if they
>             did they just left.
>
>         The situation with the Rohingya is heart breaking. :(
>
>         If it is possible, I would suggest trying to bring cameras
>         like the GoPro:
>
>         http://gopro.com/
>
>         They're not easy or cheap in that part of the world. They are
>         certainly
>         easier to pass on, harder to detect and have a quality that is
>         rarely
>         available to any phone camera. Obviously, any camera is better
>         than no
>         camera for documenting but those are generally weather proofed for
>         serious use.
>
>         It seems like physical smuggling or geo-caching of the data
>         would be
>         much safer than a sat phone that can be *tracked* and *jammed*
>         simultaneously. At least with geo-caching, one could pass
>         along the
>         coordinates for evidence later and then perhaps at a later
>         date, we will
>         have the evidence stored, found and released.
>
>         As far as physical smuggling, I suspect that people would need to
>         swallow the media cards or to sew them into clothing. That
>         would allow
>         the cameras to stay in the area but for the data to trickle out.
>
>         I wish that there was more that I could offer but areas with the
>         Rohingya is very hard to reach. If there is information that
>         you would
>         like to discuss more privately, I welcome contact with GnuPG
>         or with OTR
>         off list.
>
>         If you are able to get the data to a major city, I think that
>         physical
>         transport *of a copy* will be your best bet for getting the
>         data out
>         quickly.
>
>         All the best,
>         Jacob
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