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[liberationtech] Crypho

Brian Conley brianc at
Mon Mar 25 10:57:57 PDT 2013

Thanks for this Steve, its a rare breath of fresh air to see someone
respond firmly, critically, yet also collegially.

+1 for gnomish anti-troll behavior!


On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Steve Weis <steveweis at> wrote:

> Hi Yiorgis. The "ways of asserting the authenticity of served
> [JavaScript]" always reduce to trusted code executing on the client. You
> need to trust whatever is authenticating the served application. You can't
> get around it.
> This approach always ends up with either trusting the service or running
> client-side code. The former is a perfectly fine business model and the
> standard for almost all web apps, but you can't make the claim that "the
> government and our staff cannot access your data". It's simply not true,
> and not just because there might be incidental bugs you're working on
> fixing. It's fundamentally untrue.
> I appreciate the challenge you are trying to tackle and understand that
> delivering client-side code across all browsers and platforms is a
> non-starter for an early startup. If it were an easy problem, we wouldn't
> be having this discussion. I wish you luck in solving it.
> On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 3:08 AM, Yiorgis Gozadinos <ggozad at>wrote:
>> On the technical side, like I said, we will try to address the issue of
>> trusted js by implementing apps as well as explore ways of asserting the
>> authenticity of served js. Open-sourcing the client code will certainly
>> help in auditing. There are other things we put in place to help, CSP,
>> Strict-Transport-Security and X-Frame-Options headers for example or a
>> proper SSL setup.
>>  These cannot guarantee of course that we haven't overseen things, but
>> our hope is that gradually we can build trust on our app.
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