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[liberationtech] What's wrong with the kids these days? - On the moral decay of the Dutch hacker scene

hellekin hellekin at
Thu Mar 28 06:41:18 PDT 2013

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On 03/26/2013 04:03 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
> I find the observations in the article extremely grim and
> depressing - it is largely as a matter of agreement, I might add.
*** +1

> Consider this as a threat not only to the Dutch democratic
> processes but also to the notion that the Netherlands is somehow
> independent in terms of law-enforcement and intelligence. Surely,
> one would not jest that the FBI deployed with the Dutch police
> would serve the Dutch police first, right?
*** Last year, I met Rick van Buro [1] at an event organized by the
squatter group Schijnheilig [2] in Amsterdam. Rick and his group have
been spending the last 25 years researching Dutch law enforcement and
documenting the extension of power and repressive legislation in the

He mentioned the increasing influence of the Mossad--Israel secret
service--in the Netherlands: he estimated that Mossad gets all of the
intelligence gathered, while 80% goes to the USA, and only 60% go to
the local law enforcement agencies.

- From other sources, it's easy to find that the Mossad has been
training European police forces in Commando Krav Maga (deadly hand
combat technique used in the Israeli military) and crowd control
techniques. The militarization of police forces around the world is an
obvious fact to those curious enough to look at it.

The issue at hand is certainly not increasing crime--although crime
related to poverty rises with it, but rather an increased
criminalization of regular citizens. Just look at the systematic
repression of peaceful social movements over the world in the last
couple of years.

> With that said, the complicity of hackers in these kinds of actions
> is beyond loathsome. Rather than helping to actually secure our
> systems, we see compromises that undermine the very core of our
> modern world. [snip] Hackers and those who are technically literate
> have a responsibility to consider the larger issues at stake. Those
> who don't, who just follow orders, who use simplistic self-serving
> reasoning in place of thoughtful ethics - those people are building
> a world where most of humanity will be subservient to such
> architecture.
*** Ditto.


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