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[liberationtech] Frei PiratenPartei

Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6085 at
Sat May 18 05:56:41 PDT 2013

Well, "I don't think so" :-) let's not call it a "Party", then..

1. According to "Internet census data", Internet adoption in the US is at
"saturation point". Hence, conditions are ripe for the emergence of a
socio-political "mesh network" that expresses and amplifies the voice and
concerns of citizens nationwide about local, national, and international
issues. This is what's happening now (with little coordination, ans hence,
less effectively) with the proliferation of petitions, Facebook pages, etc.
One might argue that "il faut " change the "protocol" (how about
socio-political BATMAN - better approach to ad Chocolates mesh networking;-)

2. Areas of the mesh where the saturation becomes "overflow" can easily
generate candidates for elected office - school board, city council, state
legislature, us congress. Out of the continuous activity of the "mesh"
leaders would emerge naturally, much as for example a benedictine nun in
Catalunya is now an international advocate for the "indignados",
independence of Barça's motherland (¡muera el traidor tránsfuga Guardiola!
:-), and other important human rights and social justice causes.

An interesting experiment in this "meshing" maybe Brazil's "Rede de
Sustentabilidade" led by Marina Silva - nobody can say Brazil doesn't have
"vast size and economic depth"..

Just food for thought..
On May 18, 2013 4:27 AM, "Louis Suárez-Potts" <luispo at> wrote:

> fiorella,
> Thanks for the links to the events; I'd not been aware of them. I probably
> won't be able to participate in the conferences--geography not being as
> pliable as electrons are transmissible--but I'd be interested to read your
> paper.
> The question here was first asked about the inconceivability of the US
> having a pirate party. I had answered but didn't post; too long. But... I'm
> not a political scientist by training, but it occurs to me that in this
> case as in others, the US needs to be understood in terms of its vast size
> and economic depth. Change comes hard.
> That said, the US does have a history of counter-parties, i.e., more or
> less ephemeral political parties constituted by dissatisfaction with
> economic and social values and belief in preserving the community under
> pressure.
> More can be written on this; it's a paper for an academic journal, I seem
> to have begun.
> -louis
> On 2013-05-18, at 07:19 , "fiorella de cindio" <fiorella.decindio at>
> wrote:
> > A  Pirate Party do exist in Italy and it is particularly active in
> > spreading the use of LiquidFeedback, the software platform developed to
> > support the internal decision-making process of the German Pirate Party .
> >
> > In Italy  LiquidFeedback has also been used to support online
> deliberation
> > by several local groups of the MoVimento 5 Stelle (probably known outside
> > Italy as as Beppe Grillo's movement).
> > We have used it  in large civic context, involving generic citizens, in
> > occasion  of the recent elections in the Lombardy region
> > ( it is in
> Italian,
> > but at least for the menu you can select the English).
> >
> > The outcomes of this experience are quite interesting and we will present
> > them in the ePart2013 conference
> > A member of the Pirate Party and myself have been asked to present the
> > software (the pirate) and the above initiative (myself) to the IS office
> > of the Italian Senate, that published last week a  report on "civic
> media"
> > in which LiquidFeedback is mentioned  as one of the relevant software
> > platforms.
> >
> > -- fiorella
> >
> > Fiorella De Cindio
> > University of Milan
> > Computer Science Department
> > via Comelico 39/41
> > I20135 MILANO (Italy)
> > tel. +39-02-5031 6288 (direct) 6327 (lab)
> > email: fiorella.decindio at
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > alps at writes:
> >> Is there something like this in the US?
> >>
> >> [ ]
> >>
> >> It is sorely needed,
> >
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