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[liberationtech] Flaming Google

Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6085 at
Fri May 31 09:21:39 PDT 2013

"not tracking" is not an option for any company whose business model
is based on "tracking".
Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato,

Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes
<alps at>
+1 (817) 271-9619

On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Michael Rogers
<michael at> wrote:
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> On 31/05/13 16:01, Travis McCrea wrote:
>> Services should have the option (as Google does) to pay for a
>> service, and not have to take part in advertising. I would love to
>> pay Facebook $5 a month, and not have any ads and no tracking.
> Thought experiment: if you paid Facebook $5 to stop tracking you, what
> information would you expect them to stop collecting?
> It seems to me that a lot of the information they collect - such as
> interactions with other Facebook users, or visits to sites displaying
> Facebook buttons - involves communication between you and other
> parties. It's not clear that you have a right to prevent those other
> parties from disclosing that information to Facebook. So even if
> Facebook were to agree not to collect data _from_ you, they could
> still collect data _about_ you from those other parties - and thanks
> very much for the $5.
> The problem is that much of the information we consider private
> involves relations between two or more parties, so it can't be treated
> as any one party's personal property. You can't sell your privacy to
> Facebook, or stop selling it to Facebook, because there's no distinct
> entity called "your privacy" - it's inseparable from the privacy of
> everyone you interact with.
> I think we need to move beyond the conception of privacy as an
> individual property right and recognise it as a collective right and a
> collective responsibility. We can't buy our privacy back individually.
> Cheers,
> Michael
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