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[liberationtech] the 14th reason not to start using PGP is out!

Yosem Companys companys at stanford.edu
Fri Nov 22 11:41:40 PST 2013


Cool it, all.  No personal attacks.

Yosem, one of the moderators.

On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Ali-Reza Anghaie <ali at packetknife.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 12:24 PM, carlo von lynX
> <lynX at time.to.get.psyced.org> wrote:
>> On 11/21/2013 05:23 AM, Ali-Reza Anghaie wrote:
>>> As it pertains to your response to me from over a month ago (below) -
>>> we're just on different pages. I'm not arguing the strategic problem
>>> statement, I'm saying you've made a tactical decision that was
>>> damaging. *shrug*
>>
>> History will tell who is damaging the most, those who promote new
>> solutions or those who, just like politicians, try to cling to a
>> broken status quo.
>
> The status quo could also be said to "our" tendency to flitter from
> one magical non-solution to another based on selfish ego and turf wars
> and never sticking to the basics we took many years to get right. App
> stores and toys. Oh - that would be you in that political anecdote.
>
> See? Two can play at that silly comparison and character argument
> assassination. It's not valid ~either~ way.
>
> All I was saying is I disagreed with the tactical approach you took -
> which is to declare something dead prematurely and without enough
> context.
>
>>> Matters little now - so many new entrants into the ecosystem we're
>>> already fighting the good fight against the bad fighters. Good luck,
>>> Cheers, -Ali
>>
>> Fight? I didn't come to fight. I try to reduce the damage being done.
>
> I didn't mean you - I meant the flood of entrants into the "secure
> email" or "email replacement" chain that have been enabled by generic
> assassinations and false comparisons of other technology.
>
> Going back to my one of my original criticisms is that in the rush to
> make this a ~tech~ issue we forgot to remind people that it's
> primarily actually an OPSEC issue in most cases. If we're talking
> ~history~ then you're on the wrong side of that fence at least - again
> a ~TACTICAL~ comment because I'm sure you (and in YOU) know that OPSEC
> plays heavily into it. I'm talking about the delivery of the message.
>
> I leave our particular sub-thread to you for the last word (should you
> need / want it). Cheers and best wishes, -Ali
> --
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