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[liberationtech] RiseUp

groente groente at puscii.nl
Fri Oct 18 13:57:04 PDT 2013


On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:20:58PM +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
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> 
> Second, the unusual stress of ideology in such a service is very
> relevant to product's security in this case. When I read RiseUp's
> social contract page [1] some time ago, I found the mild creepiness
> and passive-aggressiveness quite amusing, but immediately thought the

So what exactly is creepy and passive-aggressive about stating a target audience?

> following: these guys seem pretty radicalized in whatever hippie
> ideology they seem to be adepts of. This probably indicates that in
> their closed group, they value ideological loyalty at least as highly
> as technical expertise. It means that one of them could be incompetent
> and still have administrative access to security-critical systems, or
> that one of them could be recruited at some point under a suitable
> ideological pretense — compromising the service in either case.

Well, let's apply that rhetoric to 99% of the alternatives: commercial providers.
Commercial providers seem pretty radicalized in wanting to make money. This probably indicates that in their closed group, they value money at least as highly as technical expertise. It means that one of them could be incompetent and still have administrative access to security-critical systems, or that one of them could be recruited at some point under a suitable monetary compensation — compromising the service in either case.

Therefor it seems that actually RiseUp being non-profit and ideology-based are favorable aspects for the security of their services.

To assume that RiseUp acting out of ideology means one of them may be incompetent or can be recruited under some ideological pretense shows that you have not understood much of the dynamics of social movements nor of RiseUps ideology..

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