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[liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries |

Sacha van Geffen sacha at
Mon Oct 21 15:09:01 PDT 2013

On 21-10-13 22:49, Nick wrote:
> Despite the provenence of the story, I'm still suprised there was no 
> mention of Google's cooperation with repressive elements of its own 
> government through PRISM and the like. Or (though this is probably 
> far too optimistic) a mention of whether surveillance as overarching 
> paradigm is compatible with the sort of self-representation they 
> offer here.
google is a many headed dragon, like the US government, with one head
canceling out some actions of others. It is a shame that those heads are
not all the same size (like DoD vs State). Still I would encourage the
small heads to go on and do their work.

> I also wonder how anonymous it is for the relay side - whether it's 
> really just an interface to Tor bridge nodes, and therefore the 
> relay can't see everything their "friend" is up to, or if it's a 
> straight proxy. I would guess the latter as their emphasis seems to 
> be completely about helping people hop out of their country's 
> repressive internet policies.

Seeing the description and the involvement of brave new software I
assume it is related to or a rename of Lantern, lantern is a proxy
software that uses the google social graph to find access. Maybe someone
from BNS could elaborate

In terms of threat model it would be reasonable to trust the 'friend' in
this scenario, I would be more concerned with adversary externaly
observing the connections, seeing that a group of people from within
country X are connecting to the same ip in country Y , thus relating
those people in that group as sharing a node in a social graph, so to
eachother, while they might not have seen them as related before..

Cheers, Sacha


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